# AI related meta thread **URL:** \ **Category:** off-topic talks\ **Created:** [December 16, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729 "2022-12-16T04:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/raghukamath/32/59144_2.png) [@raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/u/raghukamath)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/1 "2022-12-16T04:13:21Z")
Use this thread as a common place to talk about AI or anything related to it. I will not close this until it become really long to follow. I will also collect all the threads across forum and merge it here from time to time or when a user requests for it. ---
**Author:** ![kacart](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/kacart/32/231582_2.png) [@kacart](https://krita-artists.org/u/kacart)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 12:09pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/2 "2022-12-14T12:09:52Z")
Artists Protest After ArtStation Features AI-Generated Images The industry’s biggest portfolio site has few protections in place against it, though that may change > **[Artists Protest After ArtStation Features AI-Generated Images \[Update\]](https://kotaku.com/artstation-ai-art-generated-images-epic-games-protest-1849891085)** > > The industry's biggest portfolio site has few protections in place against it, though that may change ---
**Author:** ![Takiro](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/takiro/32/209381_2.png) [@Takiro](https://krita-artists.org/u/Takiro)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/4 "2022-12-14T13:42:46Z")
Is there any art gallery site left that is a safe space for artists? ---
**Author:** ![kacart](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/kacart/32/231582_2.png) [@kacart](https://krita-artists.org/u/kacart)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/5 "2022-12-14T14:07:31Z")
…apparently only your personal website gallery…even that could be ‘harvested’ and used by AI’s ---
**Author:** ![sooz](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/sooz/32/93244_2.png) [@sooz](https://krita-artists.org/u/sooz)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/6 "2022-12-14T16:45:07Z")
I love the protest images. ---
**Author:** ![Guerreiro64](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/guerreiro64/32/45382_2.png) [@Guerreiro64](https://krita-artists.org/u/Guerreiro64)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/7 "2022-12-14T19:15:59Z")
To me that term “Artificial Intelligence” is misleading. What this program does is take a ready-made style from its database and try to adapt it to what was requested. If by chance in the database there are drawings with wrong proportions…it will include the errors too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cyborgnekosica](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/cyborgnekosica/32/89619_2.png) [@Cyborgnekosica](https://krita-artists.org/u/Cyborgnekosica)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/8 "2022-12-15T04:58:47Z")
Hmmm… artwork on artfol and inkblot can’t be copied or saved (like, you can’t right click image and ‘save image as…’) nor they allow ai image on their platform, so… I think it’s a bit save. But then again, they can’t prevent someone taking screenshot nor can differentiate between human made or AI, so it’s not 100% safe… ---
**Author:** ![CryingTart](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/cryingtart/32/94910_2.png) [@CryingTart](https://krita-artists.org/u/CryingTart)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 7:48am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/9 "2022-12-15T07:48:09Z")
The protest was bond to happen at some point due to the amount of disrespect ai artist/techbros gave to whole lot of artist over the last few months. 😫 Wasn’t it like just a few days ago that [some guy who decide to make a children book with just ai stuff](https://twitter.com/ammaar/status/1601284293363261441?s=20&t=fQpRi6pQIpmX2Sr7v2k2PQ) Though if we gonna discuss AI should we combine it with the an older thread? the [Thoughts on artificial intelligence in art creation](https://krita-artists.org/t/thoughts-on-artificial-intelligence-in-art-creation/44696), though that thread is already long though ---
**Author:** ![Hoppa\_Joel](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/hoppa_joel/32/35221_2.png) [@Hoppa\_Joel](https://krita-artists.org/u/Hoppa_Joel)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/10 "2022-12-15T08:05:07Z")
I am glad folks are protesting it. AI art damages the artists in so many ways. It also makes us critical of talent. If someone you aren’t familiar with, posts something really good, rather than the first thought of being “wow, congrats on such a fine piece.” Immediate thoughts are, " was this generated?" That takes the joy, the heart, and soul of the piece away from any legit artist doing the work, just because we now go there first to question it. ---
**Author:** ![CryingTart](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/cryingtart/32/94910_2.png) [@CryingTart](https://krita-artists.org/u/CryingTart)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 8:20am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/11 "2022-12-15T08:20:45Z")
> [@Hoppa\_Joel](#): > > AI art damages the artists in so many ways. It also makes us critical of talent. > If someone you aren’t familiar with, posts something really good, rather than the first thought of being “wow, congrats on such a fine piece.” Immediate thoughts are, " was this generated?" yeah you right on that point like I remember just last week [this artist was accused of their art being ai and that now ai can now apparently generate wips](https://twitter.com/KOCHI003S/status/1600682943642742784?s=20&t=4DWIqlV6y2bdlRwpWENvLQ) which btw is this heartbreaking and disappointing ---
**Author:** ![Sakura\_Snow](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/sakura_snow/32/138653_2.png) [@Sakura\_Snow](https://krita-artists.org/u/Sakura_Snow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 9:12am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/12 "2022-12-15T09:12:23Z")
Yes, it’s heartbreaking and disappointing… ---
**Author:** ![raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/raghukamath/32/59144_2.png) [@raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/u/raghukamath)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/13 "2022-12-15T10:00:13Z")
> [@Cyborgnekosica](#): > > Hmmm… artwork on artfol and inkblot can’t be copied or saved (like, you can’t right click image and ‘save image as…’) nor they allow ai image on their platform, so… I think it’s a bit save. That can be easily overcome by a python script or some other bot scraping website, AI are not trained by saving individual images and feeding it. Once you publish the image on web using html it can be saved and scrapped. so the sense of security inkblot and artfol provide are false. it is just minor annoyance for humans who want to save the artworks. ---
**Author:** ![kacart](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/kacart/32/231582_2.png) [@kacart](https://krita-artists.org/u/kacart)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/14 "2022-12-15T11:24:11Z")
followup: > **[ArtStation Responds To AI Controversy, Makes Things Worse](https://kotaku.com/artstation-ai-art-generated-image-protest-controversy-1849895978)** > > The site had a chance to listen to its community and screwed it up ---
**Author:** ![bobonthenet](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/bobonthenet/32/232470_2.png) [@bobonthenet](https://krita-artists.org/u/bobonthenet)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/15 "2022-12-15T22:55:41Z")
AI art is theft. AI has it’s place but not in the art world. Unfortunately I believe it isn’t going anywhere. Too many people naively enjoy using it. ---
**Author:** ![Michelist](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/michelist/32/65826_2.png) [@Michelist](https://krita-artists.org/u/Michelist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/16 "2022-12-15T13:22:13Z")
Today is a sad day. I think it is a shame that two developers of AI plugins for Krita want to withdraw here and, if I understand it correctly, that one of them even wants to stop further development of his plugin. This technology is fascinating, and it should continue to be available and advanced in the FOSS realm. It is not that I am uncritical about AI based image generation, quite the contrary, but my criticism is not about the technology as such, but about those who irresponsibly or even out of greed or egotism brought and bring this technology into disrepute. This is a matter that some people seem to be unable to grasp, given my clearly stated positions and questions on the topic of AI image generation, but whose deepening does not belong here. Please continue with your plugins, and if your license(s) are currently not Krita-compatible, please adjust your licenses so that the use of your plugins does not exceed any licensing limits. It won’t hurt you, but your envies will probably dislike it, but this shouldn’t bother you, take care of that in which you have invested so much work, because this is how you take care of yourself. You know what you are doing, don’t let stupid people take away the joy of what you create! So you harm yourself, make the users of your plugins sad and the envious and hate-speakers, big favor. Michelist Add: @raghukamath, maybe you can merge this with the now closed AI discussion topic? Or is it too far beside it? ---
**Author:** ![raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/raghukamath/32/59144_2.png) [@raghukamath](https://krita-artists.org/u/raghukamath)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:23pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/17 "2022-12-15T13:23:34Z")
> [@Michelist](#): > > Add: @raghukamath, maybe you can merge this with the now closed AI discussion topic? Or is it too far beside it? Nah lets make this as a new one. The last one is too long and old let this be the new place if you don’t mind ---
**Author:** ![onde\_hurlante](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/onde_hurlante/32/12160_2.png) [@onde\_hurlante](https://krita-artists.org/u/onde_hurlante)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/18 "2022-12-15T12:45:06Z")
Basically it is a movement that asks Artstation to ban AI images or to create a dedicated section. ---
**Author:** ![Anurag\_Ekka](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/anurag_ekka/32/10715_2.png) [@Anurag\_Ekka](https://krita-artists.org/u/Anurag_Ekka)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/20 "2022-12-15T20:55:17Z")
People need to understand that the issue is not the ‘generating art’ tech itself, but the datasets it uses to do so. I do not think any artist would mind an AI tool which uses an ethically sourced datasets which gives full compensation to the artists for using their images. ---
**Author:** ![acc4](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/acc4/32/211051_2.png) [@acc4](https://krita-artists.org/u/acc4)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/21 "2022-12-15T21:02:38Z")
The ‘artists’ who are being against AI stuff are not really doing any job to seperate those two. At least currently. Otherwise the phrase on the protest sign would’ve been a different one. ---
**Author:** ![JJHaggar](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/jjhaggar/32/232403_2.png) [@JJHaggar](https://krita-artists.org/u/JJHaggar)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729/22 "2022-12-15T21:10:42Z")
> [@labsft](#): > > No offense to anyone who lives on our blue planet and hopefully for a long time green, but this plugin only works online; correct?. **Incorrect:** You can use it with a local installation of Stable Diffusion in your PC. > [@labsft](#): > > And if I understand correctly, it needs very large amounts of data and powerful servers for processing, correct? **Incorrect:** Anybody with a decent GPU can use it, and the required power is the same required for playing a video game during 10 seconds more or less. [Next page](https://krita-artists.org/t/ai-related-meta-thread/53729.md?page=2)