Nvidia with 6Gb Vram or more (improvements in Stable Diffusion are being developed, so maybe soon you could use just 4Gb). Right now there are 24Gb ones in the market, and most big PC games require higher specs (and hence, consume much more GPU power).
You can also use CPU, but that way it would took much more time to generate images (and in that case Iâm not pretty sure about its energy consumption).
I said 6Gb or more. You can buy them for less than 170âŹ. Sure, itâs not cheap either, but I was just trying to correct the information about energy consumption, not price. My point was: Any modern game wastes much more energy than Stable Diffusion.
Itâs up to each artist to discover where they could use it in their own workflows, and of course you donât have to use it if you donât want to. But for example, you could use it for inspiration (as you would use a reference photo), or you could use it in some parts of your drawing to get a certain texture or effect (like you would use a filter), and much more 
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Itâs not a database of photographies, itâs a âmodelâ (something more like a brain than a database), and you can have both krita and Stable Diffusion (with one or several models) installed on the same PC.
Sure, taking photographs is also great, and of course you should use the way to get inspiration that you prefer
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Maybe this is not the best topic to discuss about thatâŚ
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Maybe @raghukamath or a moderatore can merge unrelated post to the dedicated AI feelings topic
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One thing that AI proponents say that this gives the power to people who are not fortunate to pursue art due to some situation. but this requirement for graphic card doesnât give opportunity to people in developing world or poor country to practice art. The argument that art is democratised by this is moot since you can make art with recycled material or even stone from the river bank. What this does is take away the requirement of effort and time required to learn skills required to make art. So AI proponent should say that this gives you the power to make art and compete commercially with other artists without learning art provided you are rich enough to buy a pc and a graphic card.
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I think a lot of people are talking about this nuance. Many established artists have spoken about them being ok with the tech itself, but not the indiscriminatory scraping of images from internet to train the algorithm.
Look at the music industry. Since the beginning, music AI companies have talked about only using free music to train their datasets and/or paying royalty to the artists. They donât just any audio available on internet to train Ai, because they know even a small music sample from a copyrighted property will get them sued to oblivion. And here, art AIâs are mixing and smashing and producing art with artists signature and watermarks still intact.
side note: I would like a tool which generates âartâ for me by learning my own art style. Like small things which could be repetitve, like a small tree in the bacground, a grass patch somewhere, etc.
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Any information you put on the web is scraped and ingested whether you like it or not. Everything we write in this forum probably gets to be used to train one ai or another one (without the permission of its users or the admins). The artists have to wake up and stop putting their stuff online. That is the only way to do it. Stop sharing your work online if you do not want them to be end up in a legal or an illegal database somewhere.
This is not just an artistâs issue. Did you share your family photos or children somewhere? Too late it is already ingested by ai or some badly intentioned people and saved for later.
I am neither for ai nor against it but what people need to understand is that the internet is the training ground for ai not just artstation and blaming Stability AI for this also is not fair. Do you realize that your photos you shared on instagram probably used to train military ai somewhere else without your consent?
This is also not just a photo or art issue , the same can be said for videos and music. Here are couple links for your enlightenment.
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That is like saying if you have a pocket thief will eventually pickpocket and steel so stop having the pockets altogether. Just because someone can do bad things it doesnât become the argument for accepting that bad behaviour as a norm. Web scraping is legal and anybody can take a look at art shared online share it or show it to others. What is wrong however though is scraping and using that data to monetary gain and it is wrong even done by human or company or some AI.
We canât say it is done anyway so lets let anyone steel. Rapes happen anyway so lets stop punishing people and accept it as norm. Burglary happens anyway so lets stop having doors and security systems. Murders happen anyway so lets remove law punishing it
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Not at all, my point is that people have been sleeping for too long. Please see the links I shared above for the starters. These news items were already couple years old.
Your pocket were pickpocket to death already.
There is no way on earth that I would defend rrape as a reasonable example for this. My point is that the damage has been done. The depth of this issue much worse than ArtStation or bunch of trending artists there.
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Yeah and people are rising up against it. Something happened already so it doesnât make it right. A bad thing is bad even when the victim realised it later. The victim can seek justice. Judges donât dismiss them saying oh this happened already and you realised it late so we canât do anything now. We can ask these companies to behave ethically and they should comply if that is what majority of people want and amend the laws. At least future artists will be aware of this.
And the person bearing the damage can seek compensation and justice is what I am saying. The damage is done doesnât mean one should sit quietly and accept the oppression.
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To be clear, I am not advocation for shutting up. My point is that this issue is way deeper than many realize, in fact so deep that it can bankrupt top tech companies like Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter etc if an honest judge rules against this. Knowing that, no judge will rule against it.
Scapegoating Stability AI would be a bad outcome because they are the only ones that made such competitive tool available for for everybody. Everyone else is keeping it for themselves.
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Then people need to ask for enquiring about the judgeâs intention. Judges colluding with corporates is called corruption and that is illegal too. Sitting silent and accepting injustice because system is against you is cowardice. And humans through many revolutions have shown that they eventually get justice.
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Right, the due process would be a good start. Personally I am not expecting a favorable outcome for people, that does not mean that people should not try it. I would advocate for alternative solutions, like not buying ring cameras, not using facebook, stop visiting midjourneyâs discord, stop posting on artstation ,stop using youtube etc.
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here my 2 cent alternative option usually doesnât exist for most people. And your bring up unnecessary examples to the discussion. For many artist you canât exactly get an job in the art field/related to the field with out an online portfolio theses days.
Though we could technical go back before the internet a paid good amount of money to print a physical portfolio and mail it off to art agencies and art magazines just to find work. Yet the reality is that it unnecessarily complex, and waste of time and money.
Fact of the matter to this art station marketed it self as a artist portfolio for professionals aka a place where artist can learn how to make a career/get a career off the artist work.
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It is possible to have a totally closed community with strict rules for scraping. The sharing can be done with private links for the clients. The user logins will be strict, the site will be closed circuit while offering encrypted links, similar to how you can share a file through google drive or a similar service.
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what about for new artists? or artist who just starting out with their art career.
How would they be able to prove themselves that they can be able to join the closed community?
would it be based how much they draw? or how skillful they truly are?
Would they be required to record themselves in real time their able to draw?
A closed community leads to trouble.
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That would be counter productive. Being open benefits everyone. And there should be a legal way for the AI companies to scrape or people who want to train the AI using their own artwork or people who want to opt in. The technology is good but it needs regulations and like all technology it can be used for good and bad we need to find solutions that it is not used for bad things like copying somebodyâs artwork or harassing someone etc. There should also be regulations so that corporates donât control this technology and add a monetary barrier.
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Right, but you realize, there are companies and people who would give no (c)rap about the laws and they would keep scraping your community to death, plus not everyone who do this would be living in the respective country. The corporations are only a portion of the problem.
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