# Fast switch between "Drawing angle" and "Tilt Direction" **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests\ **Created:** [February 26, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475 "2021-02-26T20:32:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/1 "2021-02-26T20:32:09Z")
I am constantly use flat brushes. It is not so handy open brush editor each time I need other mode. Now I need have two presets of same brush for each mode. Is it possible to add shortcut (/ toolbar button / widget) for this operation? ---
**Author:** ![AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/ahabgreybeard/32/2969_2.png) [@AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/u/AhabGreybeard)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/2 "2021-02-26T20:49:15Z")
You can do Switch to Previous Preset with the ‘/’ key which is a fast and convenient way to switch between any two brush presets. ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/3 "2021-02-26T21:35:51Z")
I mean switching rotation modes, not brush presets. ---
**Author:** ![AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/ahabgreybeard/32/2969_2.png) [@AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/u/AhabGreybeard)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/4 "2021-02-26T21:37:40Z")
Yes, but if that can’t be done, you can make two different versions of the brush preset (one with drawing angle, one with tilt) and use ‘/’ to switch between them. ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:05pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/5 "2021-02-27T14:05:26Z")
This trick doesn’t work fro me since I always need to switch between main (usually hard flat brush) and blend brushes to control an edges… ---
**Author:** ![Zoldyako](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/zoldyako/32/16531_2.png) [@Zoldyako](https://krita-artists.org/u/Zoldyako)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/6 "2021-02-27T15:58:21Z")
You can use the ten _brushes script_ to alternate brushes ---
**Author:** ![Grum999](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/grum999/32/66488_2.png) [@Grum999](https://krita-artists.org/u/Grum999)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/7 "2021-02-27T16:02:58Z")
There’s a dedicated plugin made as a workaround: > [@Switch to Alternate Version of Brush Plugin](https://krita-artists.org/t/switch-to-alternate-version-of-brush-plugin/15978): > > This plugin adds a shortcut to switch between brush preset that has the similar name (any brush preset with a shared name before “[”, “Paintbrush”, “Paintbrush [1]”, “Paintbrush [2]”, “Paintbrush [Wet]”). The brush name before “[” or " [" have to be the same. [Download](https://github.com/chimera28/SwitchBrushAlternative/releases) The original purpose of this plugin was to change between different brush angle. Since apparently changing brush tip angle via python is not possible. I made this plugin to switch between the brush preset and its duplicates with … Maybe it can help you. Grum999 ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/8 "2021-02-27T16:40:10Z")
@Zoldyako, I use “Three slots brushes” (actually made it 10)… Thanks, @Grum999 I will try it. I have about 10 flat brushes with various tips. So, for each one I need minimum 2 types (tilt and drawing angle) and maybe +1 type without control — summary it goes out \>20 brushes. Besides main hard brushes I also have semi-hard, soft, blending, effect and common brushes… So, shortcut that directly switches between modes obviously help to reduce amount of presets. ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/9 "2021-02-27T19:21:25Z")
Strange… why my new feature suggestion is now in the “beginner question” section? Does this shortcut already exist just I can’t find it? ---
**Author:** ![wojtryb](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/wojtryb/32/480_2.png) [@wojtryb](https://krita-artists.org/u/wojtryb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/10 "2021-02-27T20:11:39Z")
I moved it to this category as the original post didn’t feel as a feature request to me. Maybe you could elaborate more on how this should work? What should happen to the curves? Should they get replaced or stored separately? What should happen if a preset uses both of these, and what if none? How this action should be named so that a user who find it, knows what’s it for? Are there any other common combinations that should get their shortcuts? Is something like this needed by anyone else? Maybe it’s a bit too specific and other solution to your problem (like exposing those variables to python) would solve more problems across the community. I don’t think a one-line request like this is too useful for a developer who would decide to implement it, as there are many unanswered questions here. Implementation requires some decision making and guessing what problem it solves. There’s no guarantee a feature implemented this way would even be useful to you, due to possible miscommunication. I can move it back to feature requests category if you really want, and are willing to write a wishbug for it, but I believe some more exploration and research could boost this requests chances of getting to Krita. ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/11 "2021-02-27T21:50:56Z")
> [@wojtryb](#): > > What should happen to the curves? Should they get replaced or stored separately? What should happen if a preset uses both of these, and what if none? Wow, wow, wow… Actually never use curves in “Rotation” parameters, so I didn’t thought so deeply… Hmm and I never met a brush that use both tilt direction and drawing angle. I think 99,0% digital artists (I am talking about not only Krita’s artist) never use such complicated things (moreover those curves for rotation exist only in Krita, so new Krita users hardly will think in that way), they just need rotate brush tip with stylus direction, automatically from stroke direction, manually changing numbers or widget or doesn’t rotate at all. 1. One shortcut name “Brush Rotation control switching”: pressing fist time change parameter from “Stroke” to “Tilt direction” or from “Tilt” to “Stroke” and pressing second time change vice versa. In case brush doesn’t have any of them do nothing, in case two (!) options are checked do nothing. In case curves are different from x=y it would be good to save them while switching back and forth 2. Second shortcut name “Off/On Rotation control switching”: pressing first time do “off” checkbox in “rotation” options, pressing again resets this setting to default for current preset. In case there is no checkbox for default current preset do nothing > [@wojtryb](#): > > Maybe it’s a bit too specific and other solution to your problem (like exposing those variables to python) would solve more problems across the community. I read in other posts that from plugin (python) you can’t access directly to brush parameters. > [@wojtryb](#): > > I don’t think a one-line request like this is too useful for a developer who would decide to implement it, as there are many unanswered questions here. Implementation requires some decision making and guessing what problem it solves. There’s no guarantee a feature implemented this way would even be useful to you, due to possible miscommunication. Yep. That’s why I posted here to see the reaction of cummunity. In case only I have interest in this function I would not even bother to think about to post it in “feature request” at bugs.kde. For example “Pattern Scale” that we have in toolbar was added bcs artists including myself discussed it here (and it even didn’t exist in bugs.kde). And I use this function a lot. > [@wojtryb](#): > > Is something like this needed by anyone else? Fast switching between tilt and direction already is urgency from other non-Krita artist, so Sergey Kritsky made a plugin that allow it do in Photoshop (and couple really useful other plugins that Adobe had to do long ago but didn’t). ![main_cr](https://krita-artists.org/uploads/default/original/3X/1/5/15b8cf1460760ccc82e3d94a4a06b69c1cd798be.jpeg) It is widget but I would prefer shortcut. > [@wojtryb](#): > > Are there any other common combinations that should get their shortcuts? May be turning off/on at once color dynamic (hue, sat, value – no any dynamics in all those settings / settings where predefined in brush preset). In sketching stage and in “latest details” stage color dynamic usually interferes. But for those purpose I have couple brush, so it is not have any importancy. And “Modificator” plugin also does it. ---
**Author:** ![wojtryb](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/wojtryb/32/480_2.png) [@wojtryb](https://krita-artists.org/u/wojtryb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/12 "2021-02-27T21:59:22Z")
Thank you! Now it looks way more like actual feature request and start for a discussion about controlling brush rotation, so I’m moving it back there 😉 > [@I9S](#): > > I read in other posts that from plugin (python) you can’t access directly to brush parameters yes, by exposing I meant allowing python scripters to use those things. This requires some work on actual code of krita, so this would be a feature request too I guess. ---
**Author:** ![AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/user_avatar/krita-artists.org/ahabgreybeard/32/2969_2.png) [@AhabGreybeard](https://krita-artists.org/u/AhabGreybeard)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/13 "2021-02-27T22:13:03Z")
This could be a useful place to use key sequence shortcuts: [A New World of Shortcuts?](https://krita-artists.org/t/a-new-world-of-shortcuts/19346) The ‘S’ key isn’t used as an existing shortcut so the key sequences (S,Q) (S,W) (S,E) (S,A) (S,D) (S,Z) (S,X) (S,C) would be a set of ‘associated’ quick and easy to type shortcuts for these functions, if it’s quick shortcuts that are needed. ---
**Author:** ![anon39552462](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@anon39552462](https://krita-artists.org/u/anon39552462)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/14 "2021-03-04T16:22:04Z")
I would like to add that not only switching the brush rotation from drawing angle to tilt direction makes sense. also tilt direction to rotation is a good idea. I also need a lot of presets because I like to switch the rotation of flat brushes from: drawing angle to tilt direction or rotation (if you have an art pen with rotation and not only tilt). I need three presets for every flat brush: brush rotation by drawing angle brush rotation by tilt direction from pen brush rotation by rotation from pen (art pen) ---
**Author:** ![I9S](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@I9S](https://krita-artists.org/u/I9S)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/15 "2021-03-04T19:56:55Z")
It is an offtopic but I am have some interest in art pen. Could you answer some questions? 1. Do you work with cintiq or intuos? 2. It seems artpen is thicker than regular wacom stylus, so does it comfort to use? 3. While rotating a stylus does buttons disturbs? – occasional press buttons or uncomfortable friction with fingers. 4. How often you need stylus rotation function? And do you use it only to rotate the tip of a brush or also in some other ways? ---
**Author:** ![anon39552462](https://krita-artists.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@anon39552462](https://krita-artists.org/u/anon39552462)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/16 "2021-03-05T17:00:43Z")
I work with the Cintiq. And yes, the art pen is thicker than the regular wacom pen, but it feels good to me. I use the art pen as my main pen right now and the rotation only to rotate the brush tip for flat, rake, spatula, palette knife or fan brushes. It gives me more control. But you don’t really need it, it’s just easier to control with rotation than with tilt. The main function is to rotate the tip while painting in the same stroke, it gives a nice effect. I sometimes press buttons unintentionally when I’m rotating, but during a painting stroke a pressed key does nothing, it only works if you press it before the painting stroke. So that’s not an issue at all. At least for me with my keyboard shortcuts that I use on the pens. (shift for change brush size, right klick for popup palette). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://krita-artists.org/uploads/default/original/1X/e446d8b3077ddf6dfb5b2cd65199c20095b47dcf.png) [@system](https://krita-artists.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://krita-artists.org/t/fast-switch-between-drawing-angle-and-tilt-direction/19475/17 "2021-03-20T17:01:22Z")
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