A better feature + awards system? Your thoughts and ideas needed! ⭐

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That’s the kind of feedback we need! :saluting_face:

Come to think of it - maybe we should use those as the reaction emoji: A slice for ‘like’ or a whole cake for ‘favourite’!

Gather enough cake and you can host a featured party! :partying_face:

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When is someone’s birthday turn their likes into cake emojis^

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this actually makes sense, because it’s such a contextual clue. going back to @raghukamath idea of a star… we can have one star as a “like” and two stars as a “nomination for feature row.”

the original complaint about the whole star thing was that it wasn’t enough of a contextual clue. but if we do a one star, two star reaction system, then it’s easy to think “oh, two stars mean I really really like it” which would mean to be a good indication that they would want it nominated to be featured.

this could be the simplest solution without hacking a plugin or having a bureaucratic system.

also… happy birthday to whoever’s birthday it is :smiley:

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It could end up in the same situation. How would people who don’t know about the context get that one star is a like, two are for a nomination and not think that they are simple emojis? Just like choosing between a heart and a star; if I didn’t know about the context, I’d probably choose which one’s cuter.

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i was just thinking that since they are both the same icons/image, it would be a little more obvious. choosing a heart versus a star, it’s not so obvious. choosing between a one star versus a two star, it’s obvious that the two stars mean something more than one star…

… but that could just be me thinking that too, so yeah, iono… lol

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If there were two stars or whatever other emoji put on each of the featured images or below them, do you think people would get the idea?

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Or it could be seen like the heart emojis on other messaging systems, a heart with multiple color choice, multiple choice of hearts… it’s probably not an easy thing to guess that there is a context behind, especially after reading some newcomers’ questions.

It’s definitely not an easy thing to guess.
We could rely on learning by osmosis where a new user gradually soaks up knowledge by experience and reading and asking; or we could have a pinned post explaining what the various emojis do; or maybe an overall wiki that tells people how the forum works and what things do.

It’s not a major disadvantage for a new user to not understand the meaning and use of the various emojis so maybe we shouldn’t worry about it?

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A pinned post would probably help a lot with explaining. As for the wiki… I wonder how many newcomers will read it.

But maybe @Takiro’s idea, a button to feature an artwork, would be better.

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This is the permanent problem :slight_smile: (I smile to stop myself from crying.)

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That’s what I’ve been thinking; if the forum follows the “well, we’ll just have to explain”, there will probably be no end to it for the moderators. I guess if it’s just something as little as “what it means when you use this or that emoji” then it’s probably alright.

Still, a button feels more “in your face” and simple to understand.

The issue with just emojis is that it can easily happen by accident. I don’t know about you guys but I know a few people who use random emoji reactions for everything, just because they think it’s funny.

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That’s what I just wanted to write. It might be better to separate reactions (likes, clap, etc…) and nomination.

I agree that is better if easy to implement.

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And who will read it? I fear that only a fraction that is REALLY interested in what is going on here would read it, the majority will silently refuse to read anything that is not written in the topics they create or read, like it is currently with our FAQ, our CoC & our TOS.
So you probably have to put it in every artwork topic above the initial post that it will attract attention and then is also maybe read. :frowning:
I believe that, if we had to do this, this would be very distracting to see above every posted artwork.

Something dedicated to click on, where it is clear to vote for the picture above or below the button, is probably the safest way, but unfortunately a technically difficult to implement solution. :frowning:

The biggest issue of a forum are those who use it, and here I do not mean those who care for it, these users are currently here in this topic and discuss how to solve this dilemma.

Michelist

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I’m starting to think this reactions plugin is making things too convoluted - I’m not loving the way it works with added submenus, and the mess of emojis under posts. It also prevents seeing who liked your posts above a certain number. Then, as highlighted by others - things need to be explained which leads to confusion. :face_with_spiral_eyes:

I think a simple set of options with descriptors (I still think two is enough) at the bottom of the post (no sub menu) would be clearer i.e. :heart: for like, :yellow_heart: or :star: for favourite.

That’s based on the ideas I outlined in my original post; I’m not saying my way is necessarily the best, but I want to reiterate that what I outlined doesn’t include an option for nominating works; There is no voting system, only an expanded likes system.

It doesn’t even need to be two - I had other reasons, as explained a couple of posts back, for wanting the favourites option. It could be just based purely on the number of likes.

An example of how I imagine it working is something like: Original post in art thread gains likes or favourites. A value is assigned to each and a threshold set with a time window. If threshold is met a notification is sent to mods that the piece is eligible to be featured. If the mods deem it appropriate they add it to the featured gallery.

The algorithm could be along these lines: Like=1 Favourite=3 Threshold=50 within 4 weeks (from initial post or a moving window).

That’s one way of doing it, but I do recognise other ideas could work well. If a direct nomination system is wanted, I think what Takiro suggested about the voting button is viable because it’s simple and clear to understand.

p.s. I think I might have imagined the ‘favourites’ on Artstation - maybe I was just thinking of the their following system. I still think it would be a cool addition though. :nerd_face:

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From my experience with other sites that choose their nominations by popularity is that this way it’s always the same few people that get nominated, usually the most active people. Others who are equally as good rarely get the spotlight because their artworks just get overlooked and get lost in the masses. Having the possibility to nominate something even though it is not popular is in my opinion a much better approach.

“Adding artworks” to favorites to find them later; there is already a feature for this on this site it’s called bookmarks. Otherwise, if it’s just about not losing the artworks there is always the possibility to save them, put them into a folder named after the artist or something on your local drive, that’s what I do and it worked for years. I still can look at my favorite artworks even years later when the websites and accounts I found them on are already gone.

We should not forget that this software here is a forum for discussion, hence it naturally lacks features that gallery sites have and cramming them in via whichever means is not easy and perhaps even not really worth it. We would be better off setting up a Pixelfed instance or something that has all these gallery features and more.

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Ramblings of an old man… TLDR:
(The first part can be skipped, it’s just my view of things and a rehash of things that have already happened. It gets interesting below the line under the smiley.)

Yes, I also thought that we should make the nominations more accessible. And for one reason only, to increase the frequency of pictures shown in the forum gallery and Krita’s social media accounts.

Because if we want to take Krita further, and help Krita to get more users, then we have to make sure that Krita is much more visible outside this forum, and that not only every 4 weeks 4 new pictures “flash” in the social media and illuminate Krita for a short time, no, Krita must be permanently in the spotlight with new content.
Yes, I know this is a lot of work. And I certainly created a lot of work in this way last year with all my nominations.

Unfortunately, advertising nowadays only works through this high frequency of “sonication” of the advertised. The times when a clip was repeated on TV for years with little variation and achieved its goal were over about 50 years ago.

The target group, those to whom we want to introduce Krita and present it not only as a suitable tool for digital painting, drawing and animation, but also as a tool worth recommending, must be constantly reminded of what Krita is capable of and what they too could achieve if they used it.

That was one reason for me to nominate a massive number of pictures towards the end of last year. And when I was told that a new system was to be introduced and that I should hold back a little with further nominations so as not to clash with it, I made it clear right then and there that in my opinion this could be too little advertising for Krita and that the only way to achieve something for Krita was through a continuous presence in the minds of those we want to reach in the social media (quoted from my memory).
Furthermore, I stopped nominating immediately to create a vacuum, sorry, that was deliberate :wink:


Still too long, but read from here :wink:

So, and now to the point we are currently at. The search for a more accessible system. Why don’t we just make the old system more accessible? It wasn’t bad in my eyes, but for many it was technically overwhelming and not accessible.

I’m thinking that there should only be one page with a fixed input mask where you only have to enter the picture you want to nominate. If possible, just drag and drop from the tab with the picture into the tab with the nomination mask, or copy the link of the post via the button below the posts and paste it into the mask.
Everything else is fixed, i.e. the duration of the nomination phase and the design of the survey must not burden the nominator, because that was the biggest obstacle for many people to create a nomination. (Huh, what’s that, how do I do it right??? Oh, I’d better leave it alone! I’m sure it was like that for many, wasn’t it?)

So my question to the programmers here is, is it easy to create such a website with the kind of mask I described?

This, made accessible to all users, and possibly pointed out with a link above the forum gallery, and the matter would be settled. (I also promise to nominate only one picture per day, should I be asked to do so. :slight_smile: )

Michelist

Partly translated with PC support.

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I really appreciate your input, @Michelist. And I’ve missed your nominations.

You’re right that we didn’t improve anything (except that no one has to figure out how to create a poll – that was nasty for most users). And now I struggle to get enough changing content into the K-A social accounts.

I like your idea of having a simple place for people to drag images (if that’s possible).

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