speaking of which, the more AI things that do human things and act like human start to creep up.
The more it seems the makers just hate people at all and human connection.
Why the, an AI vtuber when I thought vtubing is a way for more shyer private individual to do streaming and the key point is having connection and interaction to this character made and being acted by the person behind the avatar.
At that point it click on me, that they just seem to dislike products that connect you to an individual behind it and built on that connection.
Putting copyright and consent aside for a bit (still important topics ofc), the way AI’s implemented is not incredibly useful imo, because, simply put, art didn’t need to be solved.
Using algorithms to automate dangerous or mundane tasks sounds good and usefull, but as far as art goes, the vast majority of artists didn’t have the problem it is a solution for. Automating intent kinda defeats the whole purpose of it.
The way I see it AI art solves 2 things:
Satisfies some technological curisouty of people who think whether they could first, before thinking whether they should. And as a curious person I can understand at least that.
As for many tech and coroporate people many things are abstractions and processes to optimize, AI creates an opportunity to optimize artists out of the equation. The last reply before mine speaks about the disdain for human connection, but I wouldn’t say it’s hate necessarily, but rather a mindset that sees things as products (be it optimizable or monetizable). And as such AI art is an economical optimization, an opportunity to shorten the pipeline and get “the product” out faster than it could be done before.
Don’t get me wrong tho, some of them do absolutely despise humans and what they do.
Regardless of where everyone stands philosophically on what is art and whether AI/completely generative work can be considered one, I just don’t think it’s a good way to create or participate in general culture and “art sphere”.
Sometimes it does generate genuinly creepy horror stuff tho, so there is something to it I guess.
Even before AI anything anyone posted could be scraped for t-shirts, prints and reposting accounts. And if one is a small artist chances are they wouldn’t be able to legally fight any serious infridgement of their copyright even if they were in the right. AI just aplofied that I guess.
Personally, I never really put a lot of effort into going crazy with watermarks or uploading things at super small resolution so its unusable for t-shirts and stuff, so I also won’t be troubled with this as well. My main goal is to share my work and participate in a cultural exchange. Never really bothered with chasing “Shroedinger’s paychecks” or cared too strongly whether someone reposted my stuff or used it somewhere.
So I think we need to remain strong and continue sharing our work in public places for people that genuinly appreciate us and to generally enrich the overall culture, because if we stop we lose even more ground to this visual sludge and risk turning the whole artistic landscape into derivative nonsense. Making fun and shaming techbros along the way will also go a long way
They can anthropomorphize their algorithms all they want, but we are the real deal
I believe when the mass use the online service to generate images and corrects any issues with in-painting or tweaking description, those corrections will be actively used to train AI models to improve itself. Also bookmarking, viewing of good images will help to give weightage for AI network nodes and tweak it to identify what is good and what is bad based on actual human supervision…
After certain point, it would be costlier to manually find and correct the AI output and retrain than providing few GPU resources for free to general public to train their model. That would be the only reason they are providing the free services now even it costs them months of GPU resource in cloud.
I can’t even guess how many artists hate AI and still trying out these sites and unknowingly helping to improve the AI models they hate!
Anyway, it is not going to stop improving. The dev will be smart enough to get responses till date and can generate another AI to mimic user responses to identify and do in-painting to correct the images, and feedback to image generation AI to train it.
Heh. “Artificial Intelligence”, do you know what? I think history is repeating here, let me explain.
As most things that seem good today, it is in reality, a double-edged sword; meaning that it has positive gains, but its use can be disastrous and even change the people, and by the fact, it falls in the same category of the internet and other tech gimmicks today.
Look at the internet, It was seen with hope, in the most positivist way, and now not only it is a tool for power but it also changed the people and how they behave, and if no act is made, AI will be the same.
I’m talking about regulations here, openAI for example, it is not open at all! It is closed source and it may betray everyone at anytime, there is no guarantee that its motto “Making AI helpful for humanity” will stay the same even after a fat- suitcase of ca$h; cars for example, were appreciated for the fact that were closed-source for security reasons, and now, car manufacturers used this very excuse to fill the driver’s car with surveillance capitalism.
And I’m not talking as I despise AI, I have a very weak computer and I use AI every time to upscale images, it has saved my work several times and without it I’ll be very miserable.
But here’s a warning, treat the AI like it’s nothing and sooner or later we’re in Metal Gear Solid 4.
I’m trying to think past the bot. If I am to try to show my art, simple watermarks might not even be a solution, or your signature as in some cases, those are replicated to a degree.
For an artist to 'show the work ’ what is the solution?
Would posting a video of the work(s), work?
Or would an AI still be able to pick those up?
I’ve never made the speed painting things ( and don’t know how to even begin ) I some times stream me doing paintings on twitch, but don’t save the vods.
But, is this even something that might work to prevent easy theft, or would it make things easier for a bot to steal?
I think we should stop thinking about it. This sad state only leads us to being less creative and more depressed. Yes it is unfortunate that some people will now start to ask proof that an artwork is genuine human made or not. Like how we have mechanism to find out bootleg duplicate products and sometimes those mechanism also fail, it is going to happen to art too.
Even if record the video of the process, I will not be surprised if AI companies input the video and start to generate videos of the AI art process too. So instead of getting depressed by this situation I think we should learn to produce more quality art.
I agree, but, I was meaning, how do I show something for a potential customer anymore?
I used to post my art, as a prelude to something like it being on a shirt, or a mug, or calendar etc.
So, I already create less now. I am already depressed.
I don’t have a venue to ‘show the works’ anymore.
I agree it is tough now to convince a customer about the authenticity of the work I believe though valuable customers will find a way to know genuine people. I know it sounds like false hope.
Many clients/customers don’t care about authenticity until something happens. Many clients are looking for artists or anyone who works with images/design because they have no idea how to find any image on google and how to apply it behind a text.
But, I urge customers to claim authenticity. As this will help artists who work in a traditional way (drawing/painting digitally including)
In my opinion, this part of the lawsuit summary captures the problem perfectly:
"Holz has admitted that Midjourney is trained on “a big scrape of the internet”. Though when asked about the ethics of massive copying of training images, he said—
There are no laws specifically about that.
To which the law team responds:
We look forward to helping Mr. Holz find out about the many state and federal laws that protect artists and their work."