Hello, had to join to add my voice to those joining to post about something that matters a lot. Thorny subject, but have taken time to consider how to post points as reasonably as I can.
Used to be on the forum, most recently last year: left because of the unpleasant response to expressing ai concerns. Now everyone’s talking about it, and a big momentum against it is growing. I can show art-making doing digitally offline, but only in collage format (once image posting’s unlocked), as I won’t post full artworks online at this point. Only referencing this as see people attempting to discredit, if there’s no art viewable.
In the background (kimageshop) the pre-amble to introducing ai linework was saying it’s the less talented artists that will want this feature, and that it’s very risky to bring in ai as people don’t like it so must make it ‘palatable’ when announce it. I’ve switched back to Paintstorm already, and it is a joy, not only due to no ai but because it’s a great painting-focussed balance between Sai2 and krita. Being off the beaten track is also a great bonus, albeit with a Notes pdf able to be found; it’s so nice to get that presence and space back, be offline, and enjoy being in a software that’s not about online/ai/data.
Nutshell, from honest observations: anyone pro-ai seems to want likes/attention and/or money (with minimal effort), and resent those with talent and who apply themselves thus get results. Also, people seem to buy into that the pro-ai community is large; it isn’t. Big tech and media push it as if it is, so some go ‘oh well, will have to accept it and join in’. Don’t fall for it. Kudos to anyone anti-ai … that IS the majority e.g. recently Cara had 800k join in just 2 weeks, standing as a 100% anti-ai platform that protects artist’s works. I’m not on there, as prefer offline, but read some great discussions and have found lots of new genuine artists, which is uplifting.
Why is krita not instead including something similar to glaze/nightshade? Why not pin a post about e.g. legal actions AAA artists are taking against ai? Why not ban the ai plugin? Why was this ai linework not proposed as a plugin and shot down then, rather than announcing it when it’s nearly ready and soon to be fully included into krita, potentially cutting many users (real artists) out of krita? Also bending licensing … the art world are fighting securing pro-artist licensing, but krita wants to modify licenses to INCLUDE ai … this also degrades creative commons licensing. And not banning ai means most people will presume ANY art done in krita contains ai, thus real art gets dismissed in with that … does krita care about that? (no) Try searching krita videos in the last month; too many ai references.
And people often say there’s a lot in krita’s base that needs fixing and simplifying, yet this ai linework is put at high priority, despite that it would block people developing hand/eye co-ordination and thus block progress in art.
Only non-ai has a future with the wider community, who, as krita knows, don’t want ai art … or books/movies … or customer service/shops etc, for that matter. People are discovering they enjoy real art far more than before though, and traditional art is expanding again. Cara coming through is a really good sign, as are other places that outright ban ai.
Just a special note also, to those who suddenly realised the disabled exist in this thread but only to back up their pro-ai arguments … the disabled also do not want this ai, and have a brighter day due to being able to achieve something real themselves artistically. Why not put focus on further helping the disabled to enjoy making real art, instead of ai? Also, referencing wrist issues, which may be being used as a pro-ai argument also? … proper attention to right posture will definitely help to prevent pain.
Audacity was just about universally villified for adding in telemetry, across linux anyway, and forks created/pre-telemetry versions often used since, just to reference hecko’s comment above.
Also seeing comment that KDE can be trusted … they run telemetry even in Kate, their text document software. KDE telemetry is well-known and generally disliked if privacy is valued … thankfully some distros remove kuserfeedback. Krita just shifted their structure more over to KDE. I also saw openvino referenced for possible inclusion in this ai linework; that is pro-telemetry too … first result when looked up openvino. Had to join in years back arguing against telemetry on brushes use in krita; thankfully that proposal was dropped then, but the current ai issue could end up worse.
One of the many examples why ai in krita WILL get worse unless people act strongly against it … “I don’t think we’re going to have the feature of retraining the network in Krita - at least it’s not planned now.” … not until intel suggest doing something ai again and send cash, at least. What an unpleasant way to pollute the only proper painting software on linux, which countless linuxers helped get off the ground for years. Not even effort now to emphasize including linux-friendly links in posts.
Only being fully anti-ai can take care of valuable matters such as genuine art development, employment/careers, continued access to all kinds of places/communication/support/information, privacy and many other things … the same as only genuine work, time and care will produce slow and rewarding progress through experiencing doing real art, a day at a time.