I want to use this, I am not a novice artist and it would help me clean up my sketches.
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Better is also subjective. That is why I said āif you think.ā
And I think it makes my point clear that if this feature is useful or not, is also dependent on the artist.
I donāt know the details of the sponsorship of Intel, but I am not one to invent facts. There are most certainly circumstances, why the krita foundation choose to accept that feature request. Maybe they had to implement one feature and could pay multiple devs at once, so that they could work on multiple features simultaneously, but that option is also just my assumption.
I believe there is an issue list of features and bugs somewhere. Who says that they donāt fix bugs while developing this feature because without that fix, they can not finish this feature? Again, itās just my assumption.
I am sad, that there are so many assumptions. You could go to the gitlab where the code is hosted and view the ammounts of commits, that are merged into krita each day and you will not see the lineart tool, but features implemented and bugs beeing fixed.
My deepest gratitude to all of you contributing btw.
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Just to put some oil into the discussion 
Technically all the so called AI algorithms that process the images are Convolution based.
Meaning, we have the sequence of convolution filters that process the image, Then another sequence process the output of the previous convolution and so on. Then we get the result. It is either another image, or some number.
In our case it is an image.
Gauss Filter (and edge detection) are combination of convolutions. So Gauss Filter from filters category is also an AI 
(just very, very simple) but AI, because it works on convolutions.
So next time you use filter to create a glow effect, think about your beliefs regarding the AI
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If I may, I do want to ask this question: does it really affect the people that wonāt use Fast Line Art anyway? Like using Blender as a comparison, thereās people that donāt like OIDN (AI denoiser for ray traced scenes) or path guiding (technically a form of AI as far as I know that reduces the amount of rays that are absolutely wasted when rendering) on the basis that theyāre less predictable for them to work with, but Iāve never seen those people argue against their inclusion (because theyāre not going to use them whether theyāre included or not anyway) Granted, Iām not well versed in the 2D space (I dabble with Krita occasionally, but most of my time is in 3D), so Iām probably missing something.
I guess what Iām asking those that absolutely abhor Fast Line Art is, āIf youāre most likely not going to use it even if itās included, does it really matter?ā. Again, Iām probably missing something coming from a different angle.
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Hi. Iām not an artist, canāt draw and will probably never learn. I stumbled across this discussion precisely because I hoped Fast Line Art would do all the terrible things listed above but looking at the project itself it is pretty clear that it wonāt. As someone said āThis looks super cool for people who are good at sketching but less skilled - or interested - in lineartā. I await it with interest, but not hope.
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Hello @Mick_James and welcome to the forum!
Everyone can learn to draw or paint. The only ātrickā behind this is doing the same things that the old and new masters did or do, you have to practice.
Okay, there are people who have a hand for this and learn this faster, but you hardly can point at them and state āIāll never be able to do thisā, because you clearly can, but you may need more practice than them as most of us do. And then thereās the āspecial groupā of naturals and savants, but this group is such a tiny minority and stands out so much with their abilities that you shouldnāt compare yourself to them, at least not at the beginning of your endeavors in the arts. You wouldnāt be fair to yourself.
So if you are interested in art and want to learn it, you just have to start and practice, practice, practice, just like 99% of us have to do and have done. It is a hobby where perseverance is one of the most important skills, it is not a problem if you are disappointed with some results, it will be a problem if this disappointment would hinder you to continue, because only the latter, i.e. continuing, will let you get better results.
By the way, the fast line feature art wonāt help you in the beginning, that is a tool for those who can do it already good enough and need (or want) to save time.
But since you write that this is understood, you are already on the right track mentally, you just have to start. Dive into the sea of art and see if this attractive hobby appeals to you?!?
Michelist
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Iāve dived āinto the sea of artā and been washed up on the beach more times than I care to remember. From where I am sitting I can see sketchbooks, pencils, drawing manuals, tablets, lino cutters, you name it (also a clarinet, a guitar and a piano, but thatās another story). And I have had most of this for years including a box of oil paints that is over 50 years old. How many times have I told myself to ājust startā? Iāve lost count.
So I still canāt draw, not to a level that satisfies me, and not for want of trying. Thatās because, unlike 99% of people, the capacity to āpractise, practise, practiseā is not in my grasp. I only recently found it why that was, and while I could in principle take drugs to help me focus, they have some pretty powerful side effects and in practice I canāt. ORā¦ I can play around with digital tools like AI and 3D modelling and Krita to my heartās content and in a few minutes whatās inside my head actually makes it into the outside world. Which is a big part of what art is all about, isnāt it? Not just āmark makingā. And if and when I do go back down that route why would I use a program that mimics using a stick of charcoal over heavy-grained paper when I can buy those things in a shop and have the full experience of the process?
As to the non-ai purity of Krita, you can already hop in and out of AI while using any graphics program, so that ship has sailed. And why wouldnāt you? Itās not like youāre grinding your own pigments and mixing them with egg yolk. Does that mean you are using other artistās work? Definitely. But so did Manet. So did Picasso. So did Sickert.
Things are moving rapidly. Krita may not have AI built on but you can use Krita as a front-end for it. And thatās what Iāll be focusing on this weekend.
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Please bear in mind the Terms of Service: Terms of Service - Krita Artists
- This forum does not promote or want to be associated with AI image-generating tools or plugins or any image generated with AI technology as it is today. This forum is not the place to promote or showcase AI technology. And since the legality or ethical implications of current AI technology is not yet clear we do not want to host or give space to any of the content that promotes AI use. Users are free to debate about AI in the dedicated off topic thread but when adding images generated by AI please note that we do not understand the copyright implications of those images so the post might get removed.
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just my 2 cents on this. I am not saying I am for or against this feature but I just want to throw in 2 different situations where I believe it will be useful.
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Your an artist commissioned to illustrations for a book lets say this book is 30- 150 pages and you have a very tight deadline to complete the illustrations. and this is just (1) of (3) projects you have to finish with a certain time period, the feature would help in speeding up your work flow to finish on time and keep you sanity.
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let say an artist has a condition that its slowly detiroiates the skills they had accumulated over their artist life but they are not ready to give up being an artist just yet . going to use myself as an example. I have a condition called Marfan syndrome, short explanation I am missing a genetic protein in all my connective tissue ( wrist, elbow , heart, eyes etc.) will deteriorate a lot faster and activates such as writing and drawing to name a few will become frustratingly difficult as I get older and there is no getting better just management. in my case I wonāt be willing to walk away from art completely even if I retire professionally, I would still want to draw and paint at my leisure, so if there is a feature that can assist with line art at the very least then sure I donāt mind it.
I say if the feature is there its there however its up to decide if you wish to use it or not.
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Finding out and subsequently reading through alllll of this from 12-2am hasā¦ definitely been something.
Also, hi, I may be new but I have been using Krita for a little while.
On the feature, I feel some people here forget how many nuances there are to āwho wants/needs these featuresā. Yes, the process of sketch ā line art can provide much more creative freedom than the tool weāve been shown, but to insinuate literally every artist should ALWAYS do it this way dismisses artists who do line art without sketching and clean up after (me!), or effectively see the sketch as the same as the line art but more grey.
People should experiment and try out different styles of this process as they see fit, but you should never imply that only one style is correct.
Overall, I see two main issues with the tool:
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The āmarketingā of it. Perhaps it is an obligation from Intel, but either way, just describing it as āAIā is going to set people off, regardless of how ethical it is. Even then, the tool seems so far down the ladder that calling it āAIā at all is bordering on mislabeling. Itās not generative, and it does about the same thing some old-fashioned algorithms could do (heck, the original post specifically mentions doing it this way because algorithms would be harder). This same issue permeates a lot of big tech over the past year or two, where programs are marketed as āAIā as if we havenāt had these algorithmic technologies for years now, just repackaged as new and fresh.
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Work ethic. Obviously, this is something to discuss on another day, but I feel this entire thread highlights an issue with the art industry right now: Making us feel more like workers in areas where we shouldnāt feel that way. While the short-term of āI can get commissions done faster!ā is very nice in the moment, especially for those financially troubled, it potentially (I repeat, POTENTIALLY) encourages more people to force artists to work quicker, to make them feel more like theyāre working 9 to 5s on things that should be more free form unless agreed otherwise (think game or movie studios). This tool would be another in the pile of helpful automations that could end up stressing out artists even more than before that automation existed.
Otherwise? Yeah, the tool is fine. I donāt really wanna use it, but looking at it on its own, it can be useful and, thankfully, already has at least some ethics in mind.
Of course, I canāt claim to know everything, but in regards to tools like these, the morality in every aspect should be considered, even those that feel more hidden at first glance, and how artists are treated for using these tools is one I havenāt seen focused on much here. If you wish to work under conditions Iāve described, thatās your prerogative, but I see a lot of artists online stress over things like this nowadays, and I hate to see some people in such states enough that I feel I need to share this opinion at least once, as tired as I may be writing this.
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Welcome to the forum, @Squiddu, and for sharing your thoughts.
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Canāt figure out how to report this, but this is a clear Terms of Service violation (Terms of Service, Content Standards, rule 8):
This forum does not promote or want to be associated with AI image-generating tools or plugins or any image generated with AI technology as it is today. This forum is not the place to promote or showcase AI technology. And since the legality or ethical implications of current AI technology is not yet clear we do not want to host or give space to any of the content that promotes AI use. Users are free to debate about AI in the dedicated off topic thread but when adding images generated by AI please note that we do not understand the copyright implications of those images so the post might get removed.
This tool is not an AI image generating tool; it simply cleans up a userās own linework.
Unlike most of the AI models available at the moment, there is no image scraping done to train the model (which is the practice that led the Krita team to publicly state they do not want to support AI image generation).
The Krita tool is being trained on voluntarily-donated artwork from this community.
Since the Krita teamās stance is purely against AI image generating software and this tool has nothing to do with that, this post is ok.
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Can this new feature be used to take an already inked drawing and have the lines be as a new layer in krita, separated from the paper? Like the trace bitmap function that flash has had for years?
Kind of, but the result is black and white, so youād need to do the second step anyway, and the second step is Filter ā Color To Alpha ā click OK (the default white color and the threshold should be good). And the second step might already work well for you. The result wonāt be vector, for vector results youād need to use Inkscape.