Is a logo collaboration out of the question?

No. The maintainer of the project decides.

They may decide to have a vote, but they may as well decide on the logo themselves.

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I’m tickled pink by that comment.
Have there been any studies of sexual dimorphism in computer applications?

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Here’s a link to my latest image so that anyone can modify and/or make a T-shirt out of it. :slight_smile:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SJjrQVgxghF4GQgDn_OX_E55t67FajnK/view?usp=sharing

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The logo itself hasn’t really struck me as a problem. If anything, in terms of marketability, the Krita website’s front page could probably use a refresh, especially with some of the artwork it currently showcases being a bit dated. (according to Wayback Machine, that frog, fox, elf-boy, and bikini girl have been around for at least six years. Around the time of Krita 3.0, for reference. Krita has grown a lot since then.)

(Please don’t take the paragraph below as an attack, those are genuine questions, though I admit I have a specific point I’m trying to head you to - like a food for thought thing). Do you see/admit that there is just the same amount of blue/cyan in the logo? If so, why are you so mad at pink but not at clearly not gender neutral blue (everyone would tell you that blue = boys, right?)? Why don’t you think that blue and pink, or rather, cyan and magenta, will skew the viewer perception to ā€œfeminine appā€ despite such big amounts of other present colors (cyan and black)? (Especially since the updated logo - I think Animtim updated it maybe for 5.0? Not so long ago, in any case - has very clearly more intense, darker magenta and not pink.). And why is feminine bad, or why do you think that people would be ā€œturned offā€ from the app if they consider it ā€œfeminineā€/for female audience? (Isn’t art considered a feminine thing anyway? At least it kind of seems so, in my country…)

Frankly, for me it sounds as if you had internally quite misogynistic views (probably coming from the world around you and not your conscious worldview exploration) but don’t realize it and try to rationalize it instead, post-hoc. It’s a lot to unpack there.

Basically, the world hates teenage girls. Anything liked by teenage girls is looked down upon and mocked just because teenage girls like it.

This article might be some introduction: https://studybreaks.com/thoughts/interests-teenage-girls-invalidated/ or this one: The Invalidation of the Interests of Teenage Girls and Young Women (I think the first one is slightly better but might be worth to read both, they are not that long in any case).

I haven’t rewatched this video in full, but I think it is also a good introduction to the (similar) problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nL-kgbbcBA


More on topic, I don’t think Krita’s logo should be changed, because:

  • the colors are just from CMYK, artists usually would recognize it, or at least recognize that it is a color wheel
  • Kiki has similar color scheme
  • the same color scheme was used for Krita’s marketing for years now (probably full 20, and note that there is a huge brand recognition already built upon it; everything is blue and pink or magenta and cyan, with a touch of dark grey, you can even look at KA logo, or many splash screens… everything Krita is in those colors. Krita Foundation already has a trademark for this logo (and for the name, btw). Changing the logo would mean throwing away large part of Krita’s recognition and will have to include some paperwork too, to protect the new logo as well).
  • you said that you have nothing against Kiki. It’s kind of funny, because I’ve heard people telling me that they are even ashamed starting Krita at work because Kiki splash screen shows up, because it doesn’t look professional (and makes them look bad), because 1) it’s a cartoon, or because 2) it’s in anime style, or 3) it’s a ā€œfurryā€ character, or 4) all of the above. Some people even think that an app having a mascot at all is unprofessional. People have some associations that we can’t really fight with or even guess sometimes. For example, you are the first person I know talking about the pink in the logo - I’ve met many more Kiki haters.
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Just for completeness sake, pink was a color associated with boys a few hundred years ago because it’s so strong and bold. Blue was associated with girls since it’s so soft and timid. It was swapped sometime in between.

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just reading from the top and jumping to the bottom. My 2 cents is I’ve got no problem with krita’s icon. Don’t think it needs to change. Easily identifiable. Other programs know the icon and even use it sometimes to identify Krita. Etc

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Good points. Here are a few in favour of having an official monochrome version of the logo in addition to the ordinary one.

  • Quite frankly, the coloured logo is pretty muddy and difficult to read in small sizes.

  • A monochrome logo can be used on top of any colour combination and any style of image. For example, if someone makes dark and gloomy art the cute with sugar on top Krita logo might not fit all that well, and if it is used it will steal all the attention from the artwork. :slight_smile:

  • A monochrome logo can have any colour, so one could make a rainbow banner of Krita logos for a pride parade or something. Or People could buy a Krita coffee cup with their favourite colour.

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I already have one. :slight_smile:
Mugs are easier than cups, for technical reasons.

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Well that was not really what I was expecting but its good to see opinions. I think the subject of pink (which I think was really only brought up by one person) got a bit off topic. The color is normally secondary and should not be a factor until the design is strong. But if people like the design then that’s good. I think it could be better. I guess the point I see is that there are not many monthly contributors to Krita. https://fund.krita.org 7565 a month. I have no idea how they do such excellent work! Seriously f’ing kudos to that team! Blender, (with a bit of a head start) on the other hand has 181,000 a month.

Do I think a logo or branding is the utmost solution, no, but it is naĆÆve to think that branding doesn’t work. (Actually, I hope nobody here thinks that.) But maybe my idea of what looks polished is different. Although I will add, the argument for the current icon being recognized is irrelevant. For one, unless you use the software you hardly notice the difference between other icons. As a PS user for years, I couldn’t have picked the Krita logo out of a lineup, before I started using it. Secondly in the age of a product this means nothing. I would guess many don’t even remember Blenders earlier logo(s). Or Max, Maya etc. Anyway, it was interesting reading the posts. Certainly the response was much more than I expected. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I do agree it could be better, which i pointed out that i like bleke rendering as i can see the need for having a more adaptable logo. OTH as app icon Krita logo is pretty easy to find for me both in mobile and desktop.

Though i just cant accept the - it needs to change cause i hate that one color in the branding kind of thing (given the seeming underlying reason for the dislike of said color), and that said color is a reference to a part of the software it represent.

Krita’s palette in the logo is practically the CYMK circle. Logo are more than just the color, I think the form and shape is the more important aspect and like you said color is secondary.

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Yes I think icon is utmost importance. The logo should be able to adapt. Color is irrelevant. Sure pick some corporate colors but certainly don’t be limited by them. Blender for example uses blue, and orange and sometimes one or the other. etc, etc. To be honest I find the pink debate somewhat sophomoric. :stuck_out_tongue:

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