Hello Krita Artists 
This is a discussion thread and WIP thread for our Monthly Art Challenge for July 2023. Ask any questions about the challenge or share your work in progress.
This is an interesting and nice topic thanks @ArtTrooper
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Do you need to use a gamut mask and show what it is or is it less formal than that?
Would Split Complementary be acceptable?
(I’m maintaining the tradition of asking for clarification of the rules.)
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Would Split Complementary be acceptable?
Using only complimentary colors is acceptable, that would be more in a spirit of ying and yang.
Do you need to use a gamut mask and show what it is or is it less formal than that?
As long as you stick to complimentary colors it should be rather obvious and i dont see a point being that formal, you can use whatever tools you are comfortable with, either outsourced (as in example) or built-in krita features (like gamut masks).
I think it would benefit the comunity if participants would share their thougth process but it is not mandatory.
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So just to be clear; The challenge has two elements - The drawing and the palette, both of which should reflect the theme of Yin/Yang?
Also; is a colour palette required or can it can it be black and white?
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So just to be clear; The challenge has two elements - The drawing and the palette, both of which should reflect the theme of Yin/Yang?
Yes you are correct on both points. Drawing should be on ying and yang theme explained earlier and color palette used must be complimentary to represent same theme.
Also; is a colour palette required or can it can it be black and white?
Black and white are in ying-yang symbol so its totally legit.
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Hmmm… Interesting. I can feel my rusty old creative wheels trying to get moving 
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Same here. They do turn … but slowly. XD
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Mine get stuck a lot and I have to kick start them back moving again 
I wish I had said something sooner about this, but I didn’t. The RGB color wheel that digital painting softwares use is not the traditional RYB color wheel. The RGB color wheel differs by a few degrees, so the complementary colors in the RGB color wheel is not correct. I.E., the complementary color of green IS NOT PINK, it is RED, like Christmas colors. The example is wrong. The reason the RGB color wheel is off by a few degrees is because it accounts for CYAN, which traditional color wheel does not.
The good news is that a few of the submitted entries use hues very close enough to the real complementary colors that it works. I see people thinking that yellow is the complement of blue when it’s actually orange… but some of the submitted entries use orange in their yellows that it works.
For the traditional complementary colors that are historically more appealing, here is a guide;
I hope I mentioned this early enough so that people who had submitted entries already can correct their submission… or we can just go with the option of not being nitpicky and accept entries that use either the RGB color wheel or the traditional RYB color wheel… Either way I want people to know this so in the future they can compose their colors more accurately.
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I had a lengthy post in the discussion thread about the RYB color wheel vs the RGB color wheel, but I wanted to post something here to indicate that the example given above is incorrect. The complementary color of green is RED, NOT PINK.
See my post for further details; Monthly Art Challenge – WIPs and Discussion Thread – July 2023 - #10 by edgarej
In real life painting the complementary red is actually magenta when matched against pure green and it doesn’t end with that…
actually no, the traditional color wheel in real life painting is red, yellow, blue:
https://home.csulb.edu/~percept/artistcolor.html
that’s why in real life if you mix blue and yellow, you get green.
if according to your model, green is a primary and not yellow, then how would you get the color yellow into the color wheel? blue and green does not mix into yellow. try it with acrylics or oils
I’m not an expert on color models, but isn’t RYB the primary colors for pigment and RGB the primary colors for light? So for traditional painting it’s RYB, and digital images use RGB, or CMYK for printing. For the purposes of this challenge, I would think either would be fine, they are similar and the idea is that there should be contrast, not necessarily exact contrast. Of course, that’s my opinion and you’re free to disagree, I’m not making the rules here. I just think there’s no need to be so strict about it when the goal is to encourage people to participate.
As for my participation, it seems like a simple enough topic, but I haven’t thought of anything yet. Maybe I’ll find time for it before the end of the month. 
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Yes, you get green but when mixing neutral greys and painting surface scattering the rules seems to change. I’ve been painting with oils and airbrushing for 35 years. I thought the model was crazy at first, but in practical use it actually worked better. I’m using the same approach digitally too. I have to admit that I’m still a bit puzzled by why it works though. Quantum realm stuff?
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I already mentioned it before… for the purposes of the competition, I don’t see the need to distinguish between the RGB color wheel v the RYB color wheel. The results would be different but it wouldn’t be that far off. The only reason why I ever mentioned anything in the first place is because I don’t want any 12 year old coming to this forum thinking that the RGB color wheel is the traditional color wheel, when it’s not. I got made fun of for a long time for continuously using the green and pink/magenta combo. I really like that combo, but all my artists friends think it made my pieces look stale. It took me forever to understand why.
Here is the link to a scholarly article about the traditional RYB color wheel versus the RGB color wheel; Hal Glicksman
or just do a google search for RYB color wheel versus RGB color wheel. There’s tons of information about it on the web. One can also refer to the color wheels below for reference.
RYB color wheel is left, RGB color wheel is right.
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RGB is an adaptation for displays and tv’s. RYB is for real paint.
I think most artists got the message, the meaning of the instructions and did not copy paste the palette used in the example.
Artist noobs?
I guess and hope, with all my heart, that you just got carried away for a moment. Temper and artists seems to go hand in hand. If not, color wheels are the very least of our problems here.
I actually hadn’t thought of the difference between RGB and RYB color wheels before and I found this volley of information educational. 
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So, I made a change to my Raven Dove piece. I lowered the raven’s head so it’s against the light background. I kept feeling like his head was lost in his wing. What do you all think? Improvement or no?
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That’s a very effective change.
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