I have a top suggestion to make. There are special game Mouse with lots of buttons. These keys could also be assigned with frequently used Krita functions. For example make brushes bigger and smaller. It would be more compact and I wouldn’t have to keep looking for the keys on the keyboard. I would immediately buy one.
Gaming mice can be problematic.
My experience tells me that the cheaper the mouse and the more unknown the manufacturer, the bigger the problems with the drivers of these mice. And if you take the trouble to search this forum or the old KDE forum on Krita, you will find enough topics that confirm this.
From experience, I can say the Logitech G602, with 11 buttons, works flawlessly with Krita, but also has a corresponding price-tag.
Michelist
I agree with @Michelist, if you want multi-button gaming mouse. You need to look at more known brands due to driver. As someone who exclusively uses a mouse with 9 button up for years. Also nowadays MMO style gaming mouse [20 + buttons ] doesn’t seem to be that popular.
Even with my current mouse - [A logitech g600 (old model - precursor of g602] / Mapping the Middle Mouse button to another mouse is still an issue (macro is currently not cutting it lol).
My previous one is redragon 901, had issue with some 3 + key combo which is prevalent in some complicated krita unit. (before that i have scimitar and a g300 - leftclick always end up failing )
Alternate suggestion would be onehanded gaming keypad (razer tartarus/ orbweaver the likes) or key express remote [xp-pen/ xencel/ huion/ wacom] have them.
Still you will still have the same issue of - being dependent on driver.
edit: change ouroboros to orbweaver.
Like Kaicho suggested, I personally use a Razer Tartarus V2 next to the Cintiq. I can do an 8 hour session without ever touching my keyboard. All necessary shortcuts are assigned to the gamepad.
Orbweaver not ouroborous
But as @kaichi1342 and @Michelist said, the driver is what’s important. If you can map keyboard buttons to the mouse button you should be fine. You should think about the mappings. If you want the mouse to do something you can do in Krita with hotkeys, then you would need to be able to set the same hotkeys to a mouse button. If you need multiple button sequences, then you should look at the driver for Macro functionality.
Maybe you’ll need to add additional keyboard shortcuts or canvas input settings to obscure keys (e.g. ctrl + shift + F12) so that it can be mapped to your mouse. In that case, don’t change the default ones, but add alternative mappings, so you can still use the default ones by using your keyboard.
OMG XD i mixed it up with the mouse one lol.
Do you use lots of keymaps then?
I find I need to use at least 3 on my Tartarus to accommodate for my basic needs. I don’t use hypershift much though, I want single button activation.
P.S. I like setting the D-pad to the modifier key combinations as I can leverage my thumb for the highest number of keypresses.
Yup! I use every button on it.
Just to name a few:
- undo
- Quick rotate
- Quick zoom
- Quick pan
- flip canvas view
- reset canvas view
- copy/paste
- delete
- transform
- brush size (linked to the wheel up/down)
- select all
- deselect all
- fill
- ctrl, alt, and shift for tool modifiers
- enter
- fullscreen
- various tools like brush, gradient and magic wand
- eraser toggle
- toggle pen monitor (to use my tablet pen to reach things on my other monitors)
That gets me through most things, then I just use context menus or manually click tools for anything else.
Hi, I think such a mouse should be made in cooperation with Krita. Then the mouse could be released without any problems.
Ist diese Tastatur leicht zu Programieren? Diese wäre interessant für mich.
That’s not how things work, and it shouldn’t.
No, just no. Already almost too many confusing options. Remember the KISS principle!
Then the manufacturer has to collaborate with any piece of software a customer may end up using. They would be bankrupt by the time they have an alpha version of their driver, if not sooner.
As I said, you should think of the mouse buttons as copies of buttons that are on your keyboard (map them to f13-24 if they are available). Then map the corresponsing buttons in your software of choice (you can click your mouse button to type F13-24). It is universal.
For macros, use your keyboard shortcuts to create a sequence of command activations. Keyboard shortcuts is what you have to work with one way or another.
this mouse works well,
I’m sure that we both use g hub. I have its predecessor [g600] and all the mouse and any other external input equipment need to be able to do is map and record and fire combination of keyboard input. You can also bind the mouse mapping to a certain program/ game. Like I said so far the only problem i have with it - is the known issue of middle mouse not being fired if assigned from other button.
they don’t really need to collaborate with a software, they mostly provide - ability to bind to different software [so you can have different mapping depending which is open, and able to provide way to bind multiple key combination to one button/ or provide macros] . That pretty much good enough for what you will be doing.
@SooniX: I also see that differently.
On the one hand, the driver from Logitech is cleanly programmed, I myself have not had any difficulties there. On the other hand, the driver from Logitech offers such a wide range of possibilities to assign the keys that this does not seem necessary to me.
You can set pretty much everything from mouse functions to keystrokes, from one key to any long key sequences, if desired, even with exact timing and triggering of the keystrokes.
In addition, there are predefined access options for the multimedia keys, or for calling up the browser, email, media player, calculator, etc. You can also call up shortcuts to local and network resources, and Logitech’s Ventrilo headsets can also be controlled with it. Only cake baking does not work
The biggest problem could be to decide which key to use for what.
And if you want to use other programs with it, no problem, you can create a separate profile for each program, the mouse even recognizes automatically when you change the programs and switches the profiles.
I assume that the other premium vendors offer something similar for their mice, I’m thinking of brands like Razer, Corsair, or 3Dconnexion’s models with extra buttons (professional space mice for CAD, 3D, virtual reality environments, graphics software (customizable down to the smallest detail, but costs plenty of €$£¥)).
@kaichi1342, that’s unusual, I can assign the MMB to any key on my G602.
Michelist
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@SooniX: Das sehe auch ich anders.
Einerseits ist der Treiber von Logitech sauber programmiert, ich selbst habe dort noch keine Schwierigkeiten gehabt. Andererseits, bietet der Treiber von Logitech eine so große Fülle von Möglichkeiten die Tasten zu belegen, dass mir dies nicht notwendig erscheint.
Einstellen kannst du von Mausfunktionen über Tastendrücke, von einer Taste bis zu beliebig langen Tastenfolgen, sofern gewollt sogar mit genauem zeitlichen Ablauf und Auslösung der Tastendrücke, so ziemlich alles.
Dazu sind noch Zugriffsmöglichkeiten auf die Multimediatasten, oder für den Aufruf von Browser, E-Mail, Mediaplayer, Rechner, etc, vordefiniert, weiterhin kannst du Verknüpfungen zu lokalen und Netzwerkressourcen aufrufen, und Logitechs Ventrilo-Headsets lassen sich auch damit steuern. Nur Kuchen backen klappt nicht.
Das größte Problem könnte es werden sich entscheiden zu müssen, welche Taste man wofür nutzt.
Und solltest du weitere Programme damit nutzen wollen, kein Problem, du kannst für jedes Programm ein eigenes Profil erstellen, die Maus erkennt sogar selbstständig wenn du die Programme wechselst und schaltet die Profile um.
Ich gehe davon aus, dass die anderen Premiumanbieter ähnliches für ihre Mäuse bieten, ich denke da an Marken wie Razer, Corsair, oder 3Dconnexion’s Modelle mit Zusatztasten (Professionelle Space-Mäuse für CAD, 3D, Virtuelle Umgebungen, Grafiksoftware (anpasspar bis ins kleinste Detail, kostet aber €$£¥)).
@kaichi1342, das ist ungewöhlich, ich kann den MMB auf jede beliebige Taste meiner G602 legen.
Michelist
i think it was some kind of admin conflict. i still have not solve it - for now im using macros it works for click but does not do drag. I usually map mmb on one of the dpi switcher. Apparently an issue with some user. I can map mmb on my g300 before maybe it was just this model.
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