Depends. People tried using it here on this site and we very much cared. There are other people who don’t care about if it’s not real but probably also wouldn’t care if it was.
For sure, but on the commercial side of things, for example, an Indie game developer will opt to not pay to an artist for character paintings (this has also been the case for the game music industry since a while, people choose soulless, random noises over paying a musician). I mean, people don’t like to pay people for their hard earned skills and with the AI coming in the scene, trying to make a living out of art has become more difficult than ever. Imagine an Indie game with some space characters, an artist can make some wonderful paintings but the developer may choose to enter some keywords and get some free results instead.
This is no less sad than the jobs in industry and crafts that are lost because machines were developed to shovel even more money into the pockets of the company owners.
And there, just as here in the arts, those affected must achieve to make themselves interesting again for the labor market through various measures.
In industry and the skilled trades, employees try to achieve this through better qualification and further training. However, not all of them are able to continue their traditional occupation.
For the field of art this is a new experience, but for all of them it is true, they have to look for ways to sell themselves again, to generate income again, it is hard for all of them. But only through constant development and adaptation we humans have become what we are, we must not stop there.
It doesn’t help to scold the machines, only adaptation and the will to be different, better, more interesting for the job market or customers will bring you further, only one thing has never helped: to sit like a rabbit in front of the snake and do nothing.
Michelist
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You’re right. As an example, the industrial revolution by itself ended many occupations. And when photograph was introduced, artists had a similar anxiety. However, the superficial “perfection” of AI images is really disturbing. People will always pay for art but the problem is that many people will choose the easier and cheaper way (cheating). And the burden of being a better artist and living up to the expectations to race with AI is also a problem for artists (both physically and psychologically). So I can’t help but think we are going through some dark times.
when machines “take jobs” in an industry, uinions protest, workers get pay increases, and unions are formed.
Currently none of this ( yet ) is happening with the problems with AI.
Game industry, is rampant with developers saving a buck to replace artists.
Film we are finally seeing some resistance, and pickets and unions, but this is just a small piece of a bigger picture.
The argument that ‘we will adapt, and learn to work with the AI’ doesn’t work when it us not regulated, and when the whole training proceedure for tham was done with stolem material. This isn’t the same as a talented artist reproducing a famous artist ( from centuries past ) style. That is proof of talent of the artist(s) that can do this. AI, is not proof of talent it is just theft.
It steals the material and reproduces it in a prompt in moments.
And that, steals from the living artists a second time, as people using AI to prompt, feel they do not need the artist to work. The artist loses a potential job.
Before AI, I took on various fun for me projects, folks would prompt “me” " can you paint x with y and z? For me it was a fun challenge.
That is taken from me as well.
You are correct, AI has caused me mental depression, which has lead to physical health declination.
Art is not the same as physical work, someone able to do physical labour, can still get work in other aspects physical work if the ‘machines take their work’ For years I worked phsically, in consstruction, and other work like that. I am old now cannot do that work anymore, and I “fell back” to my talent as an artist in 2016.
AI’s rise has taken that job from me as an artist. My health took the old physical labour job from me.
So we cannot just say things like “We will adapt” As we already are and do.
This needs regulation.
AI needs to become a tool for just the art styles of the artist using it, and not a tool for feeding masterpieces in, to product more, at a prompt for a fee to the greedy people at the top of the AI advancement.
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Yes, and no. It confirms that the general public must do something, must become active (the general public of those affected by it, the others care little (one may not play rabbit, but one must become active)). But it also confirms, and here the reasons for passivity do not matter (i.e. whether those affected cannot or do not want to), that those who do not succeed or are not able to actively change something (for whatever reason), that those affected will have problems and end up empty-handed (i.e. without a job / income), and will then be confronted with the consequences of this loss (hunger, illness, loss of housing, …).
And this is the sad side of the matter, there will always be people who will be harmed.
My above contribution was not meant to evaluate the current events either positively or negatively, it was about the representation of what is currently happening in the arts, but in principle is not new (the framework conditions of social upheaval are changing, the impairments vary). In the meantime, the workers in industry and crafts have built up the structures that, within limits, offer them protection. At the beginning of the industrial revolution, they were just as powerless as the artists are today.
Michelist
Wait until a blackout. AI needs computers, computers need electricity and what if one day power will not be easily supplied as today? Art will turn back to its roots: Pencils, brushes, crayons, paints, canvases. Art can be done even with the most scarce of mediums. Some paints and some paper. I believe after a point of saturation, people will turn back to the merits of real art but until that day artificial products of AI (based on theft) will dominate the scene (who knows for how long?)
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Nice thought, but this will not happen (except by a (world-spanning) nuclear war, but then we have other worries).
Besides, who wishes such a thing, will realize in the moment where it becomes true what they wished badly for themselves and the world.
Why this will not happen is obvious, worldwide the nations are heading in the direction of renewable energies, except for a few, but even they will have to make this change at some point, if they do not want to perish.
Once these energy sources are developed, which will take some time, we will have more energy than we need. It is only important to diversify when a natural energy source cannot be harvested permanently, such as wind, tidal power planting and solar. Countries that have enough hydropower or geothermal energy available, for example Iceland, can do without it.
Unfortunately, the beneficiaries of the current energy supply, i.e. producers of oil, hard coal, lignite, gas, wood, uranium, as well as the electricity and the fuels from it, nowadays step strongly on the brakes and hinder the change in order to be able to live well from their current business model for a long time.
But apart from wood, if it would be managed sensibly, as only a few do, the fossil resources are finite. In the countries in which wood is “only mined”, i.e. in which only deforestation is practiced without subsequent reforestation, wood is also finite and at some point there will be no more wood there.
By the way, I have presented this only superficially, behind all this is so much more, this would not only go beyond the scope of this topic. This is a topic which our governments have to regulate, so I will not go into it further. We would just talk our heads off without being able to change or do anything.
Michelist
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I hope that there never will be a nuclear war. Humankind has already given more than enough damage to the planet. Humans have increased the natural extinction of species 1000 fold since the industrial revolution and everyday 150 to 200 species (plants, bugs, fish, birds, mammals) go extinct. Not to mention the rapid deforestation, pollution and global warming. I really don’t like to say it but at this rate, humans don’t even need a nuclear war for global disaster.
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Hi, I don’t know if this is the right place to write this but I thought it might be useful to some website owners:
You can block Chat GPT from crawling your website with a robots rule
and I thought since Bing and Google are also doing image generation it might be useful to remove images from websites with the HTACESS rule.
Over and out.
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Dear All,
My name is Dr. Jason Polak and I am a photographer. I have seen some amazing art done with Krita and I would like to say something.
I firmly believe that AI or artificial intelligence is a horrible thing. We all know what it does: take your art so that it can create fake art in a soulless manner. But beyond that, it is a new kind of automation that has not been seen before: it emulates some sort of creativity in many fields so that it will make hundreds of people obsolete. This goes beyond typical automation and it is going to cause massive social disruption.
This is happening because tech companies want to push efficiency to its pathological and logical extreme so that they can concentrate the wealth of the world in their hands. They create something that at first looks good and promising but is a disease in disguise: something that is designed to homogenize culture and take away the individuality of human beings.
I know this sounds bad. But I think there’s hope. I am creating an anti-AI coalition. It is just a group of people who support each other by promising not to use generative AI and to support other people in the group. If enough of us gather together, we can make AI obsolete the way it is attempting to make us obsolete.
I am just starting to make it happen, and I want to engage in personal discussion with people who are interested to help. If you are interested, please email me at jpolak (at) jpolak (d o t) org … and let’s start connecting and reuniting against AI.
Sincerely,
Jason
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Hello @drjasonpolak and welcome to the forum 
I believe that most people here are already aware of the situation with AI so you don’t need to explain much.
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Thanks, @AhabGreybeard! Well, I am forming a coalition so if anyone wants to talk about it, feel free to email me. I work for the website Photography Life and we also put up an AI-free banner, check it out in the logo: https://photographylife.com/
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Welcome to the forums @drjasonpolak. I really enjoy looking at your nature photography. I would love to be part of that coalition.
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Hello @drjasonpolak, and welcome to the forum!
If you wish, you can also add your contact information to your profile page and briefly introduce yourself and explain what your concerns are regarding the Anti-AI Coalition.
In this way, every visitor to your profile can see what you are about and has the opportunity to join you and your fellow campaigners, because here on this site your contribution will gradually fade into the background and be less and less recognized.
Michelist
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Ugh… AI bot singing…
really bad all the way around
https://www.comicsands.com/anna-indiana-ai-debut-song-2666377864.html
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Hi, just sharing another excellent video (a feature-length film, rather) that I came across while browsing.
I was sent this link a bit ago, I havent read anything but thought I’d share.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/what-is-glaze.html
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Lately there have been frequent posts about the Krita AI plugin. the plugin author has used the name krita more prominently thus giving the impression that it is official plugin. If our members find any such posts please flag it or point the user to the FAQ here - A list of commonly asked questions ❓
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AI is coming to a computer near you, soon, sort of:
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