From my point of view if you just look at Krita technical possibilities, you miss many things.
My first thought when I vote is my emotional feeling about the artwork.
Then come the technic.
That’s why I mostly put “0” scores: nothing emotional for me, but good technic so not negative score
Concerning the last suggestion I made, my point of view differs than you: there was a good technic for me
I’m not really aware about comics in the world, but in France at least, you have really good comics draw by famous authors like Joann Sfar, Lewis Trondheim, Manu Larcenet, Boulet, Kerascoët, Etienne Davodeau, Pénélope Bagieu, Gally, Mélaka, and a lot of less known authors you can find from on Exemplaire Editions for which drawing style is (more or less) similar quality than one I suggested; not all french authors have the same high painting quality of @Deevad for example, but their comics are really good too.
Also, even if I agree that quality of featured artwork should be good enough, if we choose only artworks from users that are mastering with technical “painting” skill, then you’re just excluding all other that just draw without having high “painting” skills.
And probably give the impression that you need to have really good skills to use Krita…
If you put a tag to ask your artwork being featured, many might be disappointed
Maybe just add something somewhere, to inform user that by posting an artwork on KA, artwork can be selected -or not- to be featured with a voting system
I agree with this, there can be a disclaimer in the poll itself stating that this is not a evaluation of skills or negative points on the artists themselves and they should not take it personally.
But… isn’t that the whole point of featuring? What would be the value of that tag, if lesser works can obtain it? Wouldn’t it become meaningless?
And probably give the impression that you need to have really good skills to use Krita…
That’s rather unlikely imho. There’s enough other stuff in Artworks, so it should be clear to everyone that Krita can be used even for drawing stick figures.
If we went that route, then we could close the forum, because most lack those high qualifications. And when you realize that only an illustrious circle of above-average capable artists have the chance to be featured here, then people will leave or just stay here until they realize it.
but everybody don’t have the same vision of what can be considered as good, bad, or what can be an average
so on my side, according to some artists and comics authors I like, I’m just telling that I don’t agree with the fact the proposal I made is under an hypothetical quality average
I completely understand that people don’t like it, there’s a lot of featured artwork I really don’t like
The things I’m really disagree is more about the quality stuff point of view
And then yes, we have to find solution about how determinate what can be featured or not
Of course, that is not the main goal, but there are users who are here just for that, and many of them are likely to be hit hard. In the end, only pictures by your standards will be posted, but how many will be. Will they be enough to convey an image of the user community, or will they just convey you’re not good enough for this forum?
For me, it is less important, my field is the green area of this forum. If I ever consider posting my works, I don’t know, but they won’t be featured whatever system we choose to feature pics. And I’ve no problem with that.
I think the quality is not the issue here. Evaluating artwork is personal thing. You may like artwork you might up-vote it and you might not like some other you might down-vote the proposal. That is what voting is for.
The issue at hand is how to avoid the negative votes being a discouraging thing for the artist. So suppose one has a best artwork and someone proposed it here. it unfortunately got down-voted, that should not discourage the artist to make another submission which might get featured too. This is the issue to solve not the quality one
The quality issue is solved by the result of the votes. if the quality is perceived to be less by majority then it will not be voted in favour. Let people assess the quality personally and in their own way.
Then, a solution could be to create a group of users “featuring jury”:
You can ask to enter in it if you’re level 2 or more
If you ask to enter in the group, you can’t be featured by the group (you can still be featured by monthly art challenge, for which vote is made by community)
If you ask to enter in the group and one (ore more) of your artwork has previously been rejected, there’s 2 solutions:
– A moderator have to cleanup the topics…
– You agree with that and do not consider it as injuring
I understand your proposal, Few comments above I also alluded to something like this. But I think this will limit the process to select few who are willing to be part of that group and the process though. I mean consider a person now who will casually check the category and will vote will not want to be part of the group. It will also make it less transparent.
let us think more and wait for more comments from others on how to solve this issue. For now I can unlist the topic and we can put disclaimers as a temporary solution. If more people want a closed group I will make the changes. I will also prepare a tag called #no-feature so that people can exclude and opt-out themselves from the featured row process. In addition to this tag we should also see if #no-critique tag is used. Although that tag is not once used until now, if it is used it will also exclude the artwork from the process.
There’s an explicit no-critique (at least should #no-critique-wanted I think)
So, if user don’t put any of tag, what does it means?
no critic wanted, or allowed to critic?
=> maybe for that, a new dedicated topic should be opened
Concerning #no-feature, maybe more #do-not-feature will more explicit
And if we instead introduce a category in the artwork section, for images not to be proposed? So a user could decide if his picture would be proposeable and could still ask for criticism / forbid this and would no longer have to expect to be featured. So for example “Finished artworks, not proposeable”. If one post their pics there, it would be a clear statement.
Creating separate sections or tags for “not wanting to feature” seems like a very strange idea that would divide the community instead of unite it. But the right thing to do would be to give the last word directly to the author of the artwork. That would require reworking the tagging system, now for obvious reasons the tag “featured” can only be put by administrators, what if we change the procedure? For example, instead of “tag featured” give the author “permission to tag” for a particular work, with personal notification. An uninterested author can simply ignore the offer. I’m sure this is not technically possible at the moment, but who knows…
