I want to add a character setting for Krita...（我想为Krita再设计一位看板娘…）

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My idea and purpose of designing a second mascot for krita was not to cater to a specific group. I just think that “if you design a second mascot, krita will be more friendly to all the artists, and it will be easier to be favored by the artists (including Japanese cartoonists)” - put forward all the things mentioned in this article Suggestion, and because of that.
Whether the software has a mascot or not, I think it’s a big thing.

（我为krita设计第二位吉祥物的想法与目的并不是刻意去迎合某一特定群体。只是认为“设计第二位吉祥物的话，对于各位画师而言，krita将会更加有亲切感，更容易被画师们（包括日漫画师）青睐”——提出这篇文章中所提到的所有建议，也是因为这样。
软件具有吉祥物与否，我认为是一件不小的事情。）

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I would like to ask if I can try to do the actions mentioned in this article for the popularity of krita in China and Japan…

Around July to August, QiuJin will draw Emu Koishi for Krita promotion.

In China, July and August are special times. During this period, the Japanese cartoonist who is a college student will usher in the holidays, and the rest of the Japanese cartoonist will have more sufficient time to pay attention to Krita.

It would be great for more young people to know and use Krita.

（我想问一下，我可否试着为krita在中国及日本地区的人气而做出这篇文章中所提到过的行动…

大概七月至八月，QiuJin就会将Emu Koishi绘制出来，以此来进行Krita推广的工作。

在中国，七月与八月是特别的时期。这段时期作为大学生的日漫画师将会迎来假期，其余日漫画师也会有更多充足的时间来关注Krita。

更多年轻人了解并使用Krita是件再好不过的事情。）

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Yeah I do not understand Chinese culture nor the best ways to promote products to anyone let alone abroad.

But would not that be too many characters? That is like a setup not too far away from a comic or a krita universe that Kiki lives on.

I do not think Kiki should be placed inside a plot setting since she is a brand mascot. As her actions could affect how people view her and the program itself if a story is not kind to her.

Not even sure why not simply promote Kiki instead of creating a host of new characters. I really do not get the need for it. It would be like vocaloid or something but on vocaloid each character was a voice if I recall it kinda made sense but then the internet was the internet with it.

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Sorry, I don’t know how to explain this to you very well. Because you have a very different point of view than I can think of. So if people get mad at me for my opinion…at least I won’t argue.
All I can think of is, I don’t know why everyone thinks “Krita’s mascot character will become a lot” - if Emu Koishi’s character design is approved, then there will only be two characters - there will be a lot for the future. The character setting set by Krita can be regarded as a medal, indicating that Krita is very popular. It’s an honor, and if it’s difficult to manage, it can be used as a vocaloid… Kiki also likes to have many friends, not alone, doesn’t it? Also, if someone expresses a bad opinion about Kiki and her friends, we refute and ban it.
…That’s it.

（抱歉，我不知道如何向您很好的解释清楚这一切。因为您与我能想到的观点非常不同。所以如果大家因为我的观点而生气的话…至少我也不会反驳。
我能够想到的是，我不知道为什么大家想到的都是“Krita的吉祥物角色会变得很多”——若是Emu Koishi的人物设定得到通过，那么也只有两位角色——今后有很多为Krita设定的角色设定，倒是可以看作一个勋章，标明Krita非常受欢迎。这是一个荣誉，如果感觉管理困难的话，也可以当作vocaloid一样的存在…Kiki也喜欢有很多朋友，而不是孤身一人，不是么？另外，如果有人对Kiki以及她的朋友们发表不好的观点，我们反驳与取缔就是了。
…就是这样。）

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I also understand the views of some young people, especially the views of Japanese cartoonists. I like to create and new things. If I come into contact with Krita and Kiki, I should also like to create more stories for Kiki and her new companions. I don’t think these are bad things for Kiki and Krita. If any of you are offended by these views, don’t worry, just banish me so that I can sober up.

（我也了解一些年轻人的看法，尤其是日漫画师的看法。喜欢创造，喜欢新事物，如果接触到Krita与Kiki，应该也喜欢为Kiki创造更多的故事，以及她的新同伴。我不认为这些对Kiki与Krita而言是一些坏事。如果这些观点惹众位生气，请不要顾虑，尽管驱逐我，好令我清醒。）

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So, no dissenting opinions allowed in your group?

This forum doesn’t ban or banish people if they have an opinion that is disagreed with, no matter how many people may disagree with you.
(You’re free to post here provided you do so in accordance with the Terms and Conditions and Code of Conduct - all reasonable requirements.)

You’re free to create an entire universe of characters, including Kiki if you want to, in order to promote Krita in any way you like.
That’s just a rephrasing of what the Lead Developer has already said:

The question of having these ‘formally recognised’ and even incorporated into official promotional material for Krita has already been answered by the Lead Developer:

I believe that Halla has a senior position in the formal organisation that owns/controls Krita and so her statements tend to be definitive and authoratative.

I really don’t know what more can be said about this.

If you need help or advice or are looklng for collaboration or assistance, either globally or locally, from individual users on this forum then by all means ask for that, in a new topic please.

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I don’t know if the replies from other people are kind or malicious. I’ve lost the ability to tell whether someone’s answer is friendly or malicious. In my country, especially in some big platforms, defamation, abuse, and cyberbullying are all over the place, and I have encountered this more than once. I’m very sorry if my remarks offend everyone.

（我不知道来自其他人的答复是友善的还是恶意的。我已经丧失了分辨他人答复是友善的还是恶意的能力。在我的国家，尤其在一些大平台中，对他人进行诽谤，辱骂，网络暴力随处可见，并且我曾不止一次遭遇这些。如果我的言论惹到大家生气，我十分抱歉。）

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This might be like : If you can push your character design to official krita, then so do others. With all the artist push their characters to krita, it will certainly have a lot of mascots.
這部分的觀點應該是：如果你能提交krita的吉祥物角色，其他人自然也可以。當有想法的繪師們都來提交，角色自然就變得很多。

對於Krita的衍生創作是相當自由的，如 AhabGreybeard 所說。

People here are communicate with you, no one is angry. :slightly_smiling_face:
目前這串基本上是在和你交流想法，沒有人在生氣。:slightly_smiling_face:

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…as far as I know, Krita officials and most of the American manga artists still do not accept Emu Koishi and my point of view. My concern is that Krita officials and everyone will be angry if I go ahead with the plan I mentioned.

Regardless of whether the Krita officials or the people present are angry, I will still love Krita and support her with all I can, unless the Krita officials and the people present don’t allow me to do so.

（…目前为止我已经知道，Krita官方与大部分美漫画师仍不接受Emu Koishi以及我的观点。我所担心的是，如果我按照我所提到过的计划开始行动，Krita官方以及大家会不会生气。

无论Krita官方还是在场的大家是否生气，我都会依旧喜爱着Krita，并尽我全部所能支持她，除非Krita官方与在场的大家不允许我这样做。）

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The only thing they (Krita developer team) will have problem if you in any way show yourself as officially related or sponsored by krita foundation to make these characters. You can make any characters or anything and promote krita but you must not spread the impression that you are related to official Krita.

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以我理解的情況，只要不是以Krita官方名義發布應該都不會有太大問題。
As far as I understand, it won’t have much problem if you not announce it in the name of official Krita.

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Also pinging @tysontan since it is related to mascots and also to clear out any misunderstanding arising due to language (I am assuming OP is chinese based on @Lesqwe56’s reply above)

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And

I am only going to plan as a private Krita enthusiast, not under the guise of any Krita official, Krita official and Krita foundation. I promise.

（我只会准备以民间Krita爱好者的身份进行计划，而不会假借任何Krita官方人士，Krita官方以及Krita基金会的名义。我保证。）

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I really don’t see the point of designing a second mascot – just like we don’t need 2 names and 2 icons for Krita, it’s just bad for promotion purpose.

As far as I can tell, Kiki is moderately popular around CJK region. Many artists who don’t even use Krita know about Kiki and they draw fanarts of her. The mascot has nothing to do with Krita’s popularity, or rather I’d say Kiki has been doing a great job attracting people’s attention before they gave Krita a try in the first place.

The popularity of Krita was poor in China for many reasons. But the biggest reason was simply the absolute domination of PS/SAI among manga/anime artists. However, Krita has been improving quickly, and so does its popularity. More and more artists are switching to Krita. Many Chinese companies have also switched to Krita because of PS being too expensive nowadays. Krita now has the reputation of being easy to draw with, especially from experienced artists.

Kiki has a very strong anime style. If you want a more human-like version of Kiki, I’m actually trying to design one.

As the current designer/artist of Kiki, I have been trying to avoid commenting on this because of conflict of interest, and it’s impolite to comment on other artist’s work for their merit.

It’s totally fine for you to use your OC on your own social network. But when it comes to represent a public project of common interest, your contribution must meet a certain level of quality before it become acceptable to others.

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我觉得为一款软件设计第二个吉祥物是没有必要的，这就好像我们不需要为 Krita 起两个名字和两个图标一样。过多的吉祥物对宣传其实是适得其反。

Kiki 在中日韩地区是有一定的人气的，许多不使用 Krita 的画师都知道 Krita 有一个可爱的机娘吉祥物，甚至为她绘制二次创作。吉祥物本身与 Krita 的人气关系不大，实际上 Kiki 在吸引潜在用户这一点上已经做得相当不错了。

Krita 在中国的使用率低主要与盗版横流的历史有关，PS 和 SAI 在大陆有着绝对优势的市场份额。但随着 Krita 的改进，越来越多画师开始转用 Krita，不少企业也通过改用 Krita 来避免 Adobe 高昂的价格。Krita 在大陆已经有绘画好用的口碑了，尤其是对老手画师而言。

Kiki 的画风明显是日系动漫风格主导，如果你想要更加人类化的设计，我恰巧也在设计这么一个版本。

作为 Kiki 的现任画师，出于利益冲突的考虑，我其实一直试图避免在这件事上发表评论，而且对其他画师的作品评头论足也是不礼貌的。

如果你只是在自己的社交媒体账号上用你自己设计的板娘那当然没所谓，但是如果你想用自己的作品来代表一个承载着众多人期待的公共项目的话，那么你的作品必须首先要达到一定的水平才能让别人接受。

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I am wondering why it is only a matter of manga artists in this tread. A discussion about expanding the Krita visual brand shouldn’t be limited to only adding manga mascots. How can Krita attract all artists that are not into manga? That is possibly another topic. But I doubt that more mascots is the solution.

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My idea was rejected, but I still need to give my opinion.
The Chinese platforms I care about are Weibo, Baidu Tieba and Zhihu platforms… and bilibili and bcy, lofter. If you try to search for the keyword krita, it is obvious that there are very few search results, which shows that krita is very popular among the younger generation of painters. I’ve also seen users who actively rejected krita recently because of “very low popularity of krita”.
In addition, it was a long time ago that the official website of krita in Japanese was updated. I also tried to search for krita Japanese tutorials on a Chinese shopping platform, and the most recent book was published in 2015. Its popularity is not high-in this website we are in, the reason for the low release rate of Japanese comic works may also be because of this…
Although kiki already has its own figure (on the official website of Krita in Japanese), but for the interview with the Japanese manga artist, the creator of this figure is the most recent interview with the Japanese manga artist - this interview has also been around for a long time. year. The above is my observation of the popularity of krita in China, Japan and South Korea. It may be superficial, but these are also real phenomena.

（我的想法被拒绝了，但是我仍然需要发表一下我的看法。
我所关心的中国平台是微博，百度贴吧以及知乎平台…还有bilibili和半次元（bcy），lofter。如果试着搜索一下krita这个关键词，很明显得到的搜索结果非常少，可见krita在年轻一代的画师当中人气非常之低。我还见过最近因为“krita人气非常低”而主动拒绝krita的用户。
另外距离krita日文官方网站上一次更新还是很早以前，我也曾试着在一家中文购物平台搜索krita日文教程，得到的最近的书籍出版年份为2015年，应该也可以说明krita在中日韩中的人气不高——我们所处的这个网站之中，日漫作品发布率低的原因或许也因如此…
虽然kiki已经拥有了属于自己的手办（在日文Krita官方网站中），但是对于日漫画师的采访，这个手办的制作者还是最近一次对日漫画师的采访——这个采访也有了相当久的年头。以上是我对krita在中日韩地区人气的观察，可能很浅显，但这些也是真的现象。）

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I’m so sorry if it offended your mood. But I still think that krita can try to innovate and embrace new roles when it comes to managing mascot characters. There’s nothing you can do if it makes you angry. I don’t think designing another mascot character has any conflict of interest with you, krita is open source software and has the spirit of open source, so krita should have nothing to do with the word of interest - at least from my point of view, Kiki is a very The lovely squirrel girl should be praised and more legends written for her. But if she finds new friends for uuKiki, maybe she’ll be happy too. I don’t know what you think about Kiki, but if you analyze it from the perspective of a Japanese manga artist, you must also like your Kiki very much. I have limited vocabulary and limited language organization, so I can only be very sorry if I offended you.

（非常抱歉，如果惹怒了您的心情的话。但我仍旧认为krita在管理吉祥物角色一块可以试图创新，接纳新的角色。如果惹您生气的话，也没办法。
我不认为设计另一位吉祥物角色与您有任何利益冲突，krita是开源软件，具备开源精神，所以krita应当与表示利益的词眼没关系——至少在我的角度看来，Kiki是位很可爱的松鼠少女，应当被传颂以及为她谱写更多的传说。但如果为uuKiki找到新朋友的话，或许她也会很开心。我不知道您对Kiki的想法如何，但如果在日漫画师的角度进行分析的话，您肯定也非常喜欢您笔下的Kiki。
我的词汇能力有限，并且语言组织能力也有限，如果惹怒了您，我只能感到非常抱歉。）

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Your idea wasn’t exactly rejected

As stated by @raghukamath, you may create any character to promote Krita but the only “condition” is that you do not announce that it’s related officerly to Krita or something something. Else, it’s a win-win

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@raghukamath, Can @nanochima Represent Emu Koishi as friend of Kiki? Or create some tales with Kiki involved since Kiki is the official mascot :slight_smile:

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Finally, I know that my current drawing skills are completely incomparable to yours, so I hired my best friend, QiuJin, to help draw Emu Koishi. This is her earlier work.

秋襟猫绘制的幽香猫
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Note that this is only her early work and does not represent her current level of painting (her current painting level is higher and the characters she draws are more lovely, please refer to my reply in this article for details, there is her painting level the link to).
In addition, if you can agree and it goes well, not only QiuJin and Emu Koishi who she is going to draw, more Japanese manga artists will also draw Kiki, and Krita will not only gain more popularity. This should be a good thing.

This painting was done using both Krita and Sai.

（最后，我知道我现在的绘画水平完全无法与你相比，所以我请了我最好的朋友秋襟帮忙绘制Emu Koishi。 这是她早期的作品。

注意这只是她的早期作品，并不代表她现在的画作水平（她现在的画作水平更高，绘制出的人物也更加可爱，详情请参见这篇文章中我的回复，那里有她的画作水平的链接）。
另外，如果您能够同意并且顺利的话，不仅仅是QiuJin与她准备绘制的Emu Koishi，更多的日漫画师也将会绘制Kiki，Krita不仅仅会得到更多人气而已。这应该是一件好事。

这幅画作是她同时使用Krita与Sai绘制出来的。）

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