I want to add a character setting for Krita...(我想为Krita再设计一位看板娘…)

…but about my thoughts, most of the members here, including the designers of Kiki, disagree. I’m worried if I’ll anger people if I go ahead.
I promise again that my actions are not under any official Krita name, I am only acting as a private Krita enthusiast.

(…但是关于我的想法,大部分这里的成员,包括Kiki的设计者都不同意。我担心如果我继续行动的话,是否会激怒大家。
我再次保证我的行动不会冠以任何Krita官方的名分,我只是以民间Krita爱好者的身份进行行动。)

I am not angry with you, I am sad. :cry:
Please excuse me, the things you can do and the things that are not desirable have been clearly stated here.
But you keep working at this topic, writing post after post, and just going around in circles. Meanwhile, I feel your tone, that is the way you express yourself, as partly aggressive.
And slowly I don’t believe anymore that your main concern is Krita, no, in the meantime it feels to me as if this is all about you, nanochima, and even if you deny it, that you want to become an officially acknowledged ambassador.

And so I also tell you now with my words, what others have already told you here several times.
If you want to paint Kiki and Emu Koishi, alone or together with your friend, then do so, no one will stop you. And you can also share these pictures in your community and say, look, this is what my friend and I painted with Krita, this is what Krita is capable of.
You could talk and write well about Krita. You can praise Krita’s abilities. You can also recommend Krita to your friends or in your communities by introducing Krita with commented videos, showing what Krita is capable of. And so on. You can do all this in your own name. Just don’t give the impression that you are officially affiliated with Krita in any way.
There are so many ways to support Krita, you just have to do it. But as long as you wait for someone to tell you to paint Kiki together with Emu Koishi to support Krita, you will never have done anything good for Krita because it will never happen.

And so all I hear from you here is just Emu Koishi, Emu Koishi, Emu Koishi. But every time you bring the words Krita, Kiki or Emu Koishi to the forefront, it really seems to be all about nanochima, and so by now all I read here is nanochima, nanochima, nanochima.

I honestly feel sorry for you, someone who fights so doggedly for acceptance, and always just turns in circles, shows no progress, in most cases has completely different problems. Maybe it would be good if you first find out what you can do for yourself. :worried:

Michelist

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我不是在生你的气,我是在伤心。 :cry:
请原谅我,你能做的事情和不要的事情在这里已经说得很清楚了。但你对这个话题喋喋不休,写了一篇又一篇的帖子,只是在兜圈子。同时,我发现你的语气,你表达自己的方式,很有攻击性。
慢慢地,我不再相信你主要关心的是克里塔,不,在这期间,我觉得这似乎都是为了你,纳西玛,你想成为官方承认的大使,即使你否认。

因此,我现在也用我自己的话告诉你们,别人已经在这里告诉你们好几次了。如果你想画琪琪和埃姆小石,单独或与你的朋友一起,那么就画吧,没有人会阻止你。你也可以在你的社区分享这些画作,说,看,这是我和我的朋友用Krita画的,这就是Krita的能力。
你可以很好地谈论和书写克里塔。你可以赞美克里塔的技能。你也可以通过评论视频介绍Krita,向你的朋友或社区推荐Krita,展示Krita的能力。以此类推。你可以以自己的名义做这一切。只是不要让人觉得你与Krita有任何正式的联系。
支持Krita的方法有很多,你只需要去做。但是,只要你等待有人告诉你把琪琪和埃姆-小石一起画出来支持克里塔,你就永远不会为克里塔做任何好事,因为它永远不会发生。

所以我在这里听到的只是埃姆小石,埃姆小石,埃姆小石。但每当你把克里塔、琪琪或埃姆小石这几个词提到前面时,似乎真的都是关于纳西玛的,所以我现在在这里读到的都是纳西玛、纳西玛、纳西玛。

说实话,我为你感到难过,有人为了得到承认而如此顽强地战斗,却总是在兜圈子,没有任何进步的迹象,在大多数情况下,他的问题完全不同。 如果你首先找出你自己能做什么,也许会是件好事。:worried:

米歇尔派

翻译:DeepL.com

Why not simply demonstrate how you work in Krita on those sites that you mentioned? A good demonstration video will go a long way.
See what Ramon Miranda and others have done (their videos are on YouTube.)
Just show people what Krita can do and they might become happy enough to try it for themselves. :+1:t2:

为什么不简单地在你提到的那些网站上演示你如何在Krita中工作?一个好的示范视频会有很大的帮助。
看看Ramon Miranda和其他人是怎么做的(他们的视频在YouTube上。)
只要向人们展示Krita的功能,他们可能会高兴到自己去尝试它。:+1:t2:
(DeepL translation)

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I have no idea why you think Krita is “extremely unpopular” in China, but the reality is not matching with your observation.

On Weibo (Chinese Twitter equivalent), I see people post with krita’s hashtag almost every day. Most people don’t even use the hashtag about their tools. So your point about Weibo is invalid.

On Zhihu (Quara equivalent), the answers I wrote about Krita have 5000+ agrees in total, one answer has 2000+ agrees. I never saw any answer about any drawing app reached this number. I’ve translated all documentation to Chinese, and most of the specific questions have already been answered on Zhihu. So your point about Zhihu is invalid.

Baidu Tieba is a dead platform. It doesn’t matter anymore.

Bilibili (Youtube equivalent) has so many Krita tutorials, I’ve lost count of them.

Published books are becoming less relevant by the days. Not to mention Krita’s online documentation is basically the best book, and it has a complete Chinese translation.

But what’s more interesting, contrary to your observation, my cousin and my coworker’s daughter, both just graduated from college – “the young people” – are using Krita without me introducing it to them. My friends working in art industry seeing colleagues using Krita left and right. Krita is basically THE android painting app in China nowadays. Krita is being discussed and studied everywhere, to the point I had to keep distance to these platforms because I just can’t handle so many questions. I definitely do not feel alone being a Krita user in China.

I also do not understand your obsession of mascot. I think you overestimated a mascot’s power. As someone who have been drawing FOSS mascots for decades, I can tell you mascots can do very little by themselves. It’s always the app itself being the most important.

Kiki is not supposed to be a celebrity. She is here for the community, to provide a little sense of belonging and comfort. Her origin and design intertwined with Krita’s history and philosophy. That’s what a FOSS mascot supposed to be.

You are delusional to think by merely commissioning one artist to draw your OC and claim it to be Krita related, it will lead to other anime artist to draw her too, so it will promote Krita. Your idea won’t work. People will only draw fanart about the things they care about, or things that most likely to resonate with people. People will use Krita only if they like the app.

People go to eat in McDonald’s mostly for its food and pricing, not because of Ronald. Ronald used to have a bunch of “friends”, but where are they now?

Hatsune Miku became popular not because she looks good, but rather because Vocaloid was revolutionary and people produced many viral music videos with her. Miku had a bunch of brothers and sisters back then, but where are them now?

Again, you can draw your OC on your own social network account all you want. Krita is always open for new ideas. But not all new ideas are acceptable. By rejecting your current idea does not automatically make Krita a closed-minded project. It just means people are doubtful of what you can provide at the moment.

If you really want to help promoting Krita, the best way is to get more serious about studying and practicing art. When you become a really skillful artist, people will be interested in the tools you use, then you can proudly tell them, you are using Krita. And when you are skillful enough, you can always take over the RESPONSIBILITY (note: please do not see it as a PRIVILEGE) of drawing Krita’s mascot.

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我实在无法赞同你关于 Krita 在中国大陆人气极低的说法。现实情况和你说的不一样。

在微博,几乎每天都有人使用 Krita 的话题标签。别忘了大多数人可不会特地在发图的时候附上自己工具的话题标签的。

在知乎,我写的几个答案加起来五千多赞同,单篇都有2000几,我是没见过其他绘画软件的回答能达到这种水平的。

B站上Krita的教程多得数不过来,而且都很详尽。

百度贴吧已经是明日黄花,现在正常人谁会用贴吧?

然而最有意思的是,我的表妹、同事的女儿,这些美校毕业生,在我没有给她们介绍过 Krita 的情况下已经在用 Krita了。我的画师朋友在公司里到处能见到使用Krita的同事。Krita作为安卓版最好的绘画软件经常被提及。我甚至要远离社交平台,因为我根本回答不过来人们向我提的问题。我完全不觉得中国大陆没人用Krita。

我不理解你对吉祥物/板娘的执着。你大概是对吉祥物的作用有什么重大误解。我以画了十几二十年吉祥物的经验告诉你,吉祥物可以做的事情是非常有限的。一个项目火不火,关键永远是那个项目提供的东西好不好。

Kiki不是想要成为网红。她仅仅是为Krita社区提供一点身份的认同和慰藉。她的诞生和设计和Krita项目的历史和哲学是紧密相连的,这才是自由开源软件吉祥物的本质。

如果你觉得委托一位画师画了你的板娘,说她代表了Krita,然后其他画师就会跟着画,然后这样就能帮助宣传Krita,那么我只能说你太天真了。人们只会画自己在乎的东西,或者画出来大家能共鸣的东西。人们只会在Krita能满足自己需求的情况下才会使用Krita,绝不会因为一个不相关的动漫角色来改变自己多年的习惯。

人们吃麦当劳是因为口味和价格,绝不是因为麦当劳叔叔。麦当劳叔叔曾经有很多同伙,这些家伙现在在哪里呢?

人们喜欢初音未来一开始是因为她代表的Vocaloid软件在那个时代是革命性的,人们用它制作了无数爆火的音像作品。初音未来曾经有一群兄弟姐妹,现在还有人记得他们吗?

最后我想说的是,你可以自由在自己的社交网络账号上发表自己的板娘,但要是设计别人的板娘,那就得别人说了才算。Krita对新理念总是持开放态度的,但这不代表任何新理念Krita都要无条件接受。Krita社区不接受你目前提出的方案,不代表Krita就是一个理念封闭的项目,这只是反映出人们对你的这一个方案不认可而已。

如果你真的想要帮忙推广 Krita,最好的办法就是认真学习和训练绘画,成为一个好画师,到时候人们自然会问你用的是什么软件,到时你告诉他们你在用Krita就行了。如果你的画功足够好,你可以随时接替我成为Krita的吉祥物画师。吉祥物画师是一种责任,而不是一种特权,我希望你能理解这一点。

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That’s a good idea, I understand part of the problem, many Manga and Anime artists believe that Krita can’t be used for that type of illustration, maybe more than anything because of the brushes, since many are soft.

For example this is something I did together with my colleagues at work (CSP), doing something like this in Krita is possible but I created my own brushes for it.

I plan to release a bundle with my brushes when Krita 5.1 comes out =)

Creating some tutorials would be good too, but well that’s a way to help Krita, creating another character for Krita doesn’t seem so convenient at the moment.

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Couldn’t the Basic opacity brushes handle that for manga style?

I understand. I don’t want to suffer from cyber violence anymore. So I’ve checked over and over again if this plan is feasible, and I hope people will agree, but it doesn’t seem to be. Now I understand that this plan will not be approved by everyone. So in the end it was not feasible, because if I persisted like this, everyone would be angry. I will slowly continue to find what I can do for krita. Except this way. I’m sorry to make you sad, I feel so guilty and don’t know how to make up for it.

(心意明白了。我不想再遭受网络暴力而已。所以我一遍又一遍确认着这个计划是否可行,希望大家能够赞同,但看起来不会。如今我明白了,这个计划大家不会赞同。所以最终不可行,因为我再这样坚持下去的话,大家就会生气。我会慢慢继续找寻我能够为krita做到些什么。除了这条路。很抱歉让你伤心,我很内疚,不知道该怎么弥补才好。)

Kiki is as anime as you can get. I only use Krita’s default brushes. I draw anime characters with Krita all the time with no problem. I think we don’t need to emphasize this in the first place. It’s a solved problem.

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I dropped the plan because everyone would get angry. I just want to nag a few words. Although it has nothing to do with seniors. these all with krita
not related.
For personal reasons, I don’t want to live any longer, and I actually thought about suicide, and I’m still thinking about it. Because I am useless. There is no use.
Based on this, my painting skills will never reach the level of my predecessors, not even half of it. Not to mention taking over the job of being a mascot artist from a senior. All I can do is to recommend other Japanese manga artists, other artists who really like krita
Lastly, I’ve never considered a mascot artist to be a privilege.

(我放弃计划了,因为大家会生气。我只想唠叨几句。虽然与前辈没关系。这些全部与krita
没有任何关系。
出于个人原因,我不想再多活,事实上也想过自杀的事情,现在还在想。因为我没用。没有任何用处。
基于此,我的画技永远达不到前辈的水平,甚至二分之一也不可能达到。更别提从前辈那里接来吉祥物画师这一工作。我能做到的,也只是举荐其他日漫画师,其他真正喜欢krita的画师而已。唠叨完了。
最后,我从来不认为吉祥物画师是一种特权。)

It depends on the way you want to work, but in general yes, the detail is with the brushes that paint and mix.

I have created few brushes in Krita honestly, as you say most of the default brushes work fine for that, hence my second point, the tutorials.

By the way I follow you on Twitter I love your art :blush:

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Finally, if people don’t despise me, I want to continue to use krita to draw paintings, I don’t know if I can or not.
But it will take me a while to find out what I can do for krita.

(最后,如果大家不蔑视我的话,我还想继续使用krita绘制画作,不知道可以与否。
但是我还需要一段时间找到我能够为krita去做些什么。前提是大家愿意给我这个机会。)

I’m not selling miserable. I’m just stating the facts – I’m a useless piece of crap. That’s it.

Don’t forget what @tysontan said:

So, do not do away with yourself! Just keep drawing and painting and learn what improvements need to be done.
Most of all, enjoy drawing and painting with Krita! :+1:t2:

不要忘记@tysontan说的话。

所以,不要做掉自己! 只要继续画画,学习需要做的改进。
最重要的是,享受用Krita画画的乐趣。:+1:t2:

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I’m sorry that people bullied you online in the past – that’s a pattern I saw all the time – unskillful artists too eager to attract attention, they ended up attracting the wrong kind of attention. Maybe the trauma in the past makes you seek meaning from external objectives. I used to be like that too, but that’s not a healthy way of thinking.

If you choose to be an artist, you should just focus on getting good at art. The key to get good lies not in the so-called “meanings”. Just study more to get knowledge, Practice more to get experience. Experiment with what you have learned to consolidate them, have fun drawing what makes you happy to keep your passion going. It’s not as difficult or impossible as you made yourself to believe. Don’t let fear and the fixation of unhealthy objectives lead you to a wrong path.

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我同情你以前被网络霸凌的经历——这其实是一种很常见的模式——画得不够好的画师过于执着于得到他人注意,结果反而引来了不想要的那种注意。可能过去的创伤经历让你从外部寻求自己生命的意义——我以前也曾经是这样,但这并不是一种健康的心理状态。

如果你想要当画师,那就老老实实做好画师的本分——变得会画画。学习可以获得知识,练习可以获得经验,学到的东西要大胆实验实践才能巩固,画那些自己觉得喜欢、好看的东西才能保持热情,不要去拘泥什么"意义"。技巧就是技巧,就是学练实践得到的东西。提高绘画技能并没有你想象的那么困难,不要让恐惧、思考的懒惰和对不健康欲求的执着干扰你的判断。

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… Thanks a lot. I will try to slowly regain the joy of painting.

(…多谢。我会试着慢慢重新拾起绘画的乐趣。)

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Yes, do that, please! Draw what you see and how you see it (that’s what I told my 3 children when they were young. They’re all artists now.)

是的,请这样做! 画你所看到的和你所看到的方式(这是我在我的三个孩子小的时候告诉他们的。他们现在都是艺术家了)。

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Thanks again.

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I want to ask my predecessors how they viewed the attacks of countless cyber trolls and, more importantly, how they emerged from cyberbullying in the first place.

My thoughts are extreme, and I know it’s unhealthy. So I came for help.

The past cannot be forgiven. So I make sure they go through the same pain that I have now. I’m going to use my paintbrush to paint the crimes of the internet trolls and the people who have committed online violence against me, and I’m going to use the paintbrush to accuse the internet violence, to accuse the internet trolls. It doesn’t matter if I become unrecognizable and ugly.

我想问一下前辈是怎样看待无以计数的网络喷子的攻击,以及更重要的,当初怎样从网络暴力中走出来的。

我的想法很极端,我也知道这样的想法很不健康。所以我来寻求帮助。

过去是不能够原谅的。所以我一定要他们经历像现在的我一样所经受的痛苦。我要用我的画笔来绘制出那些网络喷子以及曾经对我施行网络暴力的人们的罪行,我要用画笔控诉网络暴力,控诉那些网络喷子。甚至自己变得面目全非,狰狞丑陋也没关系。

That’s not the way!!! No!
Forget them and go do your art. Ignore the haters.
Draw the beauty of the earth! Go on a walk and sketch the beautiful trees and flowers. Take some photos if you can, to use for reference. Concentrate on those things.

(Translated by DeepL)…
这不是办法!!!不!
忘记他们,去做你的艺术。不要理会那些讨厌的人。
画出地球的美! 出去走走,写生美丽的树木和花朵。可以的话就拍些照片,作为参考。专注于这些东西。

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I’m just asking for help… I’ve been bound by hate for over 10 years, and I want to get rid of it too, but I really don’t know how long it will take to get out of it. If drawing something beautiful is one way to do it, I’m willing to try to do it.

我只是在求助而已…我已经被仇恨束缚10年以上,我也想摆脱仇恨,但是我确实不知道需要多长时间能够摆脱。如果画出来美好的事物是一种办法,我愿意尝试这么去做。

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