Hello, so some of you must’ve heard of the backlash in ClipStudioPaint’s release of the subscription model. So let’s expect a wave of new users that would like to try out Krita that are coming from CSP. I was thinking maybe adding a documentation page specifically about the differences of Krita vs CSP and their feature counterparts much like there was a page for Photoshop users transitioning to Krita.
Yes, that should be done.
I’ve read many of the comments on Twitter and The Verge and a number of the CSP users have no idea that Krita can do Vector! They also wanted a stabilized brush and the ability to make comics was important to them also. So, those topics should be covered at least.
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Well frankly the reason they want vector is different from people who didn’t use CSP. CSP has a special vector layers that are super useful for lineart. In Krita, there is the Calligraphy tool, and I know Wolthera was once working on making it actually useful but then the base code of something changed and the improvements had to be thrown away. But basically, Krita’s vectors are not what they’re looking for, so for them, Krita’s vector could very well not exist at all (I mean maybe not everyone, but at least a big part of them).
This is planned, btw, just, you can’t do everything at once. We need more developers 
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That should be done by someone familiar with CSP. Everyone can volunteer to do so. We can guide how to write the page etc., how images should be done and so on, but I don’t think there is any person in Krita’s team that is very familiar with CSP. Some things, yes, but not, you know, from using a lot.
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this is why when the news hit - i immediately share the development threads. In hope that even if they dont transition they can give their feedback. 
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Well frankly the reason they want vector is different from people who didn’t use CSP. CSP has a special vector layers that are super useful for lineart.
I’ve been meaning to sit down and put in the work to make a decent proposal about this, and I definitely do not want to derail the current thread, but I wonder whether or not the kind of vector features that CSP supports are actually necessary to address the use cases that a lot of CSP users have.
I have not used CSP in a fairly long time, so maybe it does more now, but I primarily used vector layers in CSP to allow me to draw/position a line and then to adjust its thickness as a separate step (I don’t remember what it’s called, something like “redraw line”, but you can tell CSP to redraw a vector line while only taking into account your stylus pressure and not its position). This is really useful for making smooth lineart quickly, particularly if you have a shaky hand. You can draw out your lineart really slowly with a stabilizer, and then you can go back over it and handle thickness, and then color.
But a big part of that could be emulated if I could snap to vector paths on a raster layer the same way that I can currently snap to assistants. Not to say that stuff like vector erasers wouldn’t be great, and I’m sure the team has amazing plans for the vector tools, but Krita’s current vector tools are basically passable for tracing over lines and making them smooth. And if I could then trace over the vector lines only worrying about stylus pressure/rotation, I’d have smooth raster lines with a fraction of the effort that I spend today trying to get smooth lines. And past that point, Krita already has fantastic tools for recoloring lines, so…
Anyway, again, I don’t want to derail anything, this isn’t the right place for me to make a suggestion. But I just wanted to jump in and say that I’m not sure it’s necessary to completely emulate CSP with this kind of thing, it’s possible that if CSP users sat down and wrote out what they really used vector layers for, there might be easier ways to close those gaps.
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Hi @danShumway - Welcome to the forum!
We are not suggesting making changes to Krita or to close gaps between CSP and Krita, we’re suggesting making a hotkey template or some easy-to-read documentation that will help newbies make the transition easier.
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I remember when I switched from CSP to Krita, the biggest confusion is the brush management and layer clipping, other than that the other stuffs are quiet self explanatory.
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Ohhh, I understand the layer clipping. But not sure about the brush management. Is it because in CSP you have different tools separated with different keybinds to access certain brushes, while in Krita it’s all inside the Brush Tool and you’re just switching between different Brush Engines instead of Tools?
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In CSP making custom brushes and deleting them is very straight forward, in Krita, back then it was V2.x and V3, I was confused. For example, when I saved a new brush preset and deleted it, it actually didn’t delete it, it took me a while to figure it out.
That’s a good idea for key-bindings or where tools are located.
But I’m not sure how many users will switch from CSP to Krita. The ones who have already paid for Krita and don’t want to switch to V2, might just keep working in V1. If they are there at the moment and haven’t switched to Krita yet, they are there for some specific functions of CSP (me included). And unless Krita gets those features included, they might very well not switch.
Where CSP might lose users is the ones who are about to enter the field of illustration or who are switching from other apps. So I’d rather focus on including features that make CSP so powerful at the moment to close some gaps. If CSP V1 will still be available and as $50 (or $25 during sales) isn’t awfully much, the option to go that way might still exist.
As for me. For now I will stick with CSP V1 as it’s the better choice for me as I come from Photoshop and still work in both programs all the time. Whether I will go for V2 depends on what the features will be and if it’s worth the money. There’s a little hope that Celsys might roll back on some of those plans after the backlash from the community. But like other CSP users, I’m not happy about the new decisions either. That was not smart at all.
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When CSP users say that they ‘wish Krita did vector’ they don’t mean inkscape vector, they mean CSP’s vector layer type. Saving raster strokes with normal brushes as vector representations and being able to warp and change thickness of these lines as needed after they’re already drawn.
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Can this be done on any brush? or only ink brushes?
Like technically if it is ink only, then it should be like caligraphy, or selection to shape?
I think the vector layers can be exported as svg right? if so what does the svg code of these lines look like?
I would like both, ink brushes and normal brushes. Technically it’s possible, Krita already has “stroke selection” feature (it’s a bit hidden) that allows you to stroke a vector selection.
I don’t think it would be possible to export a full, unchanged SVG from it, though.
Yes, you can take a look at the following link：
https://g.us.sinaimg.cn/o0/iq6Pvs4Olx07X5HEC0ru010412000CvF0E010.mp4?label=gif_mp4&template=800x400.28.0&ssig=YFF2irriej&Expires=1661285129&KID=unistore,video
Maybe CSP uses a different specification than SVG… I never thought they would disclose secrets.
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So what they are doing is effectively creating a path of your mouse stroke and redrawing based on the stroke. And this would be only on your last stroke or you can do it any time?
And by svg I mean it has SVG export for vector layers:
So I am wondering how those show up. or is that a different thing?
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My translation software has some ambiguities here. I think it is the latter.
From the description, there are only pure paths. If you need it, I’ll ask my friend for some.
The shape tools also do something like that when painting on a paint layer. I guess it would need a projection per shape.
So if you export it as svg, it will only get you the paths, but not the projections correct? Just curious if anyone can export it just to see how it looks.