Hello! Need help with color reproduction in Krita. The default profile is set to sRGB. When converting an image to JPG, it fades noticeably. First I flatten the picture, then I export it. I tried different options And with saving the profile and without it. But the colors become even more washed out. I found the Adobe RGB 1998 profile. If I load and select it, will it help to preserve the color better? The question of color is fundamental to me, because now Krita is my only working tool as an illustrator. I draw for both web and print. I would be very grateful for advice.
PS. The problem with color was solved by changing the settings of the graphics tablet itself. The graphic monitor is made in China and I did not see the profile settings in its menu. Iām not very strong in Chinese)) By default, there was some kind of profile. But there is an opportunity to choose sRGB))). I changed it and the picture became much better!) Thank you all for your advice. I learned a lot of useful information. Have a nice day and creative success!
First, Iām not an expert when it comes to colors. Please take this into account.
However, I wonder why you save in a quality-lossy image format if quality is an important criterion for you? You lose image information when you use JPG, to varying degrees depending on the setting, even if the loss can be tiny it exists.
What would also be interesting, in your situation, are you viewing the image after saving on the same display, or on a different display, and if they are different displays, are those displays color calibrated AND do they use the same color profile? Different displays, not calibrated ones at that, rarely show the same image identically. And is it the same profile you worked in or saved?
For more in-depth answers, youāll have to wait for answers from more knowledgeable users. Since you are a professional, I assume you have already read the chapters on color management?
Michelist
This step is completely unnecessary when exporting. There is no need to flatten the image before exporting as the export already does that for you.
Donāt know much about colors but for me using the same color profile as my monitor (sRGB iec )inside krita makes my colors consistent.
Also be aware that most browsers and image viewers donāt even support color profiles. So, even when you embed the profile into the exported image itās most likely ignored by other software.
Yes, I read. Indeed, we are talking about other monitors and mobile devices. But when working with Photoshop, I did not observe such a significant difference in color. and this moment scares me, so I donāt know what customers will say now. I believe that they will also have a dull color. I canāt classify myself as a color management professional. But I had the usual routine when working with Photoshop, which did not create problems for me or for the customer. Now I am not so sure that they will not arise. I really like Krita, for drawing illustrations she is great for me. But I would like to avoid problems with color. Maybe Iām just doing something wrong.
If I do without first merging the file, then the colors generally change very much when viewed on other monitors. They become kind of burnt. Iām trying to figure out where Iām making a mistake. For color rendering is very important for working with customers.
I know this moment. Now I have a problem - how to work with customers. How do they explain this color change. And how it will affect the print. And the colors on the monitors are also dull. What am I doing wrong? With Photoshop, I didnāt notice this. Thatās why Iām worried. And for drawing Krita is superior to photoshop. Personally for me.
I hope that you flatten a copy of the .kra file before exporting because you will, of course, lose all of the layer, blending mode, etc. structure if you do that, so you wonāt be able to continue with properly working on the image.
What you report with colour changes being different depending if you flatten first or donāt flatten seems strange to me but I have little knowledge or experience in this area.
If you have an unflattened .kra file which gives you this problem, maybe you could make it available via a link to a file sharing service so that someone could examine and experiment with it.
You could use a Direct Message to share the link if you regard the work as confidential and so donāt want to make it public.
Is your monitor calibrated?
Does Krita use the correct display color profile (the one for the monitor)?
What color profile does the Krita file have?
What are you exporting to?
When you export to sRGB (jpg only supports sRGB as far as Iām aware), the smallest denominator in terms of color profile and also what most screens are able to handle, then itās not worth working in something else than sRGB else you always experience a cut off in terms of gamut. For print itās best to still work in sRGB but soft-proof for cmyk (or better yet, the printerās specific color profile).
i see no variation when not flattening beforehand. a few questions:
- when exporting do you have force srgb on (i think its only in png export) as it should be on.
- do you have embed profile in the export? this should be off
- what is the depth you are using, anything other than 8 bit int might give you some color difference in some formats
- are you working in rgb/a color model? you mentioned printing, sometimes people think they should work in cmyk from the begining and thats completly wrong, as that will give you a lot of color differences so i had to ask.
- what is the profile in the color manager in settings>configura krita? is it different from your monitor profile and your file profile?
Do you have customers with whom you can talk?
I donāt know your customers and your relationship with them, but I faced similar problems twice in my professional life, and it was possible to solve them through dialogue.
Maybe you can ask your customers how they are satisfied with the āKrita imagesā from the quality of execution/workmanship and get into a dialogue this way?
Is it always the same customers, or is it a constantly changing clientele that may not even be aware of a change because they donāt know that before?
Michelist
I draw initially in rgb. Then, if the client needs it, I export it into CMYK. All profiles match. I checked. Initially sRGB. I donāt understand why the colors are dull. I havenāt seen this in Photoshop. I believe that these are my errors in operation or settings. And Iām trying to figure them out ā¦ Maybe the difference is that Photoshop initially uses its own profile and is it more colorful?
I believe that with a number of clients I can resolve this issue by negotiations. But what confuses me is that I see dull colors and cannot fix it in any way. I am afraid that I make some mistakes and worry that they may subsequently affect the final result of the work.
Maybe you should have mentioned that with the CMYK before.
You know that in Krita you have the possibility to set the color picker to CMYK, even if you work in sRGB? Furthermore, you can use the so-called softproofing in Krita to check the colors during the image creation, so you get an impression of the color result after a conversion to CMYK already while painting.
I hope to have expressed it so factually correctly, I am a layman in colors. I have only reproduced what I have picked up from various topics here in the forum. If I am completely wrong, please someone correct me!
Michelist
Maybe there is someone on the forum who professionally works in Krita on order for print and web? Maybe they faced a similar problem? I forgot to mention that I have Windows and the latest version of Krita 5.0.6.
sRGB has a wider color range than CMYK and when you export an image to CMYK everything from sRGB thatās not available as a color gets capped to whatās nearest in CMYK. Basically all the bright colors in sRGB are not available in CMYK, thatās why you get an image that looks dull. The correct workflow would be to use soft-proofing with out of gamut warnings (thats a settings in Krita) to fix the colors manually so you have good results in print and on screen, but itās always a compromise you canāt have both, the gamut of sRBG and perfect CMYK export.
I understand the differences between CMYK and RGB. Apparently I can not correctly describe the problem. I donāt have very good English. If I compare a picture drawn in Photoshop and Krita, there will be a difference. Both are in the RGB. But the picture in Krita is dimmer. If I export further to jpg, then the picture from the Krita will be dimmer.
I think a picture or screen cap will be best to illustrate the problem. ^-^ there are other who have come here with color discrepancy between krita and other , a picture might help recall if it something similar.
Michelist and Ahabgreybeard might be able to recall if its one of those.
Also what operating system are you? Windows does weird thing sometimes.
is the fade look persist on a completely separate device [just to eliminate the possibility that it might be the monitors ]
Iāve seen discussions about colors in RGB vs CMYK.
@Deevad tells a bit of his experience in this post:
Thereās a recent colour ādriftā problem, as experienced by @wolfeyedwitch, the solution to which was eventually found:
This shows how complicated it can be.