Feedback as a non-Krita artist

[raghukamath]

Now Ignoring the snark and condescending tone. Let us see the feedback. I may sound like a white knight from the eco-chamber so sorry for that I do not mean to be like that, it is your bias speaking so you take care about it.

@isomizu

• The stabilizer settings are hard to understand and typically feel too sluggish to get any use out of.
• Drawing in general feels really strange and somewhat laggy in Krita compared to SAI or CSP, where brush strokes feel much smoother and better to make. It’s hard to explain why this is the case, maybe it’s linked to the stabilizer issue.

Yes this topic comes up here quiet often. Of course krita is not CSP and it is not developed by taking reference from the code of CSP it will have different implementation of stabilizer. I am not saying there shouldn’t be improvement. From a csp user from the same Discord server I got this. They said krita’s weighted stabiliser needs to be set to 10x the value CSP has. So if CSp has 6 as stabiliser it needs to be set to 60. Again I have not experimented on this. may we can figure it out and make a bug report for improving it. We already have a thread for that in this eco-chamber here - How does stabiliser in Krita work? . So I politely ask you to get involved in it but without snark.

@isomizu

• The fact that stabilizers can’t be independently set for each brush preset is also a bit of a pain for me, though the only program I’ve used (as far as I know) where you can do that is CSP. Painting brushes don’t need a lot of stabilization, obviously, and this is where Krita shines the best, but if I’m trying to do lineart in it I just feel like pulling my hair out.

There is some work for tool presets but it got delayed. The tool preset would help in saving settings of tools as different presets. I do not know if stabiliser values can be saved in them. May be devs can answer that precisely.

@isomizu

• Why is there still no close gap function for the wand and fill tools? I already poked at this in my initial post, but the Colorize Mask tool isn’t a replacement for this sort of thing. I shouldn’t have to use some goofy over the top programmer-project-esque tool for something that should be one simple click away, like in most other programs. (Also not to mention that it hangs up the entire program for minutes at a time while processing the mask. While I admit that I don’t have the best processor in my rig, I feel like something so vital to anyone who works with masking shouldn’t be so unoptimized.)

Colourise mask evolved from a similar implementation in other Open source application. Yes it is slow but @Deif_Lou has some ideas to make it faster. but alas they have limited time so it will take time. it was not meant to be a replacement to close gap feature. Close gap feature is not there because nobody coded it, nobody requested it before. You know before CSP rage nobody came to krita and said hey lets do this feature. Even GIMP got it recently. It is how Free software development works there needs to be someone to implement it if the core developers are busy with something else. We got enclose and fill recently and I believe this will come too. You can follow the request and vote it here in this Eco-chamber - "Close gap" in Fill tool

@isomizu

• Like I said in the OP, I don’t personally mind the UI and can work around it, however I know I’ve failed to get plenty of people to use Krita over the years due to the UI alone. I’ve noticed that Krita people tend to compare the UI to CSP or PS, and while I don’t have a lot of experience in PS and can’t speak on it, I can speak on the fact that CSP’s UI looks similar, but has much bigger and easier to read buttons, tools have less complex names/settings, and the entire UI is modular and customizable, where with Krita it’s sort of modular, but not to the point CSP’s is.

Yes there were discussion about that too in this eco-chamber, some even tried to revamp it with plugins and what not, but our options are limited to what QT the technology that krita is built on offers at the moment. There will be port to newer version of QT which devs are uselessly prioritising now without talking to artists like you first (so bad of them to do that). With that it will be possible to have some Ui refresh and mobile friendly UI too. We would need your help when time comes.

@isomizu

• A smaller issue is how blurry raster brushes tend to get, a lot of the default brushes in Krita start to look terrible if you draw at higher resolution canvases. (As I often do, since 11x17 @ 300dpi is pretty much my minimum canvas resolution for the work I need to do.) I typically need to modify the hell out of whatever brushes I’m using to keep them looking sharp at those resolutions. This isn’t as big of an issue though, since I’ve noticed that’s the case in most drawing programs I’ve used. (With Procreate and CSP being the only exceptions off the top of my head)

Well I think the brush tip are smaller for those brushes hence they look blurry. the brushes are made with average user in mind which will be a balance for big canvas as well as performance. if we include larger brush tips then people will complain that there is lag. Still if you need to give feedback about this. then please give a list of brushes that are not sharp in a separate topic in this eco-chamber may be in the next iterations we can improve it.

@isomizu

• A lot of people complain about Krita’s text tool, personally, I’m fine with it… Except for the fact that its variables do not persist after placing text with it. (Which gets very annoying if you’re doing comic book dialogue and need consistent font size/line spacing/kerning/etc.) I understand that they’re throwing out the current text tool and replacing it with on-canvas text editing, which is great, but I just want to point out that if they made this one little change to it over the years this has been an issue, then I don’t think the text tool would’ve been considered so notoriously bad. Again, goes to show that the development is somewhat misguided, and instead of taking actual use cases & refinements into account they’re going for the nuclear option of adding an entirely new feature.

Many people do not like the text tool right now, there are many bugs with it, So a single dev is working on getting it right. It has been done from scratch to include all the corner cases etc. it might not be awesome from the get go but it will get there. It is really hard to do text right it has many variables like kerning , text direction etc. it is being worked on so again patience is all I am asking.

@isomizu

• Krita is noticeably less optimized than every other art program I’ve used on this PC. Canvas scrolling and transforming particularly start taking massive hits once I get more than a couple of layers going, which I’ve never seen other art programs handle so poorly. (Except for maybe CSP running on a Galaxy Tab S7+) Transforming in particular always takes a long time at the resolutions I work at, I can practically get up and go get a drink in the time it takes to render one out. Again, I don’t have the world’s greatest PC (I’m running an Intel i5 with a Nvidia RTX 2060) but I’ve never run into this issue with other software, unless I’m working at 600dpi or insanely high resolutions of course.

Krita runs everything on the CPU, your graphic card won’t matter other than showing the canvas. Krita developers always look for optimising it. there is certainly room for improvement particularly on big canvas sizes. I know it too as I use documents which are of big sizes. having said that it is not like CSP or procreate is the pinacle of software in this regard. Use any water colour brush in CSP and it will crawl, like a snail I can post video of 2 fps lag from CSP if you want . Procreate even limits your canvas size and number of layers to stay responsive. CSP doesn’t even let you paint outside the canvas bounds.

Again. we want krita to be good as much as you want, but please have some empathy and don’t act like everyone is the enemy from the get go. And sorry the snark in this post. I wanted to show you how snark becomes highlight of otherwise nice post. So please stay in this eco-chamber and may be give differing opinion and not make it into an eco-chamber in your view.

I know you will not read what I have written and go on with your view.