Yep, but it is how Krita works. This might be one of the root causes of confusion between your request, and others Krita veteran here.
If isn’t too hard for you to test Krita try this:
Selected a brush with the Freehand Brush Tool, draw with it.
Now select the Polyline Tool or Bezier Curve Tool and draw with it.
Go in the brush docker and select a different brush altogether.
Result: You still are in the Polyline or Bezier but with a different brush.
This is way some people are making the suggestion I talked about. While active the eraser tool makes any brush you change to an eraser.
If you had an Eraser Tool, Krita users would expect to behave like others tools.
Yes. @Daishishi was asking what would happen if the selected the “Wet Circle” brush and his first assumption was right. And I confirmed that in the following post.
That really seems doable as a plugin, maybe someone could sacrifice themselves for the humanity and implement it nicely? (Implementing it in a plugin will be much much easier than in Krita itself*). It would need a list of specific requirements, like
remembering the last used eraser brush preset and last used brush brush preset
switching to another preset (either eraser or normal) would best switch to the “mode” in the plugin
a shortcut switches to the eraser and back? Is that correct? Or rather, E for eraser and B for brush (so, separate shortcuts for both groups of presets)?
What else?
And could anyone please point me to the comment that stated the disadvantages of using Three Brushes (for comparison)?
*) In Krita I guess a pointer system could be used for that; basically, if you have a Wacom or similar tablet with an eraser at the end, it probably works somewhat similar to what is being talked about here. A different pointer/stylus has a different brush preset selected, and you can select a different brush preset while using that pointer. And eraser pointer will by default have an eraser preset selected.
He is asking a question. Asking what will happen when you click on the the brush preset icon of wet circle in the brush preset docker when you have you have eraser tool active. The answer is the eraser will use wet circle as an eraser. it will not switch to brush tool with the wet circle preset like you said
In Krita currently there is not way to switch to brush tool automatically by clicking on the brush preset.
OK. This would need a little consideration. I would see the the brush and the eraser as “twins”, which somehow they actually are. Here’s what might work …
*) When you select an eraser from the presets AND you are in the brush tool, the brush tool will switch to eraser tool (speaking of the buttons).
*) The other way around, when you select a brush preset AND you are in the eraser tool, you switch to the brush tool (again - buttons).
*) Likewise, the last button only gets remembered if you are in the brush tool right now OR switch to the brush tool from the eraser tool.
*) And vice versa, the eraser only gets remembered while you are in the eraser tool OR switch to the eraser toll from the brush tool.
That should work unless I overlooked something.
[EDIT] I could be considered if the brushes/erasers are also remembered when being in any other tool like gradient etc. But that basically boils down to testing and seeing how often each version would be helpful.
Isn’t it easy to just click on the the eraser preset in the brush preset docker and switch to a eraser brush. What difference it makes if you click on the toolbox or the brush preset docker? By clicking on the eraser preset you switch directly to eraser of your choice and switch back to brush by pressing the / key.
I’m sorry if this was asked before, but you could you please say, or maybe give me a link to comment that already said that, why Three Brushes plugin is insuffucient? Does it not work properly in the latest version? Or it’s because it doesn’t have a button? Does it have something else missing? Or something else? I ask because I want to know if a potential plugin should be based on Three Brushes or created from scratch.
The difference is mainly shortcuts and muscle memory. Something that’s very important when you spent many hours painting. I can switch between the two with my non-painting hand without looking away from the painting. And what if the eraser you want is somewhere in the list, outside the visible area. Then you not only have to click the eraser, you also have to scroll there first.
For that there is popup palette which you can summon on right click, The popup palette has brushe preset in it shown according the the tag, You can tag the required eraser brush preset etc and it appears right below your mouse cursor.
Also muscle memory is not a good argument here. You will need to learn and unlearn something when you switch applications.
I’m done. This makes no sense. This kind of circular argumentation is frustrating. It feels like I’m made fun of a this point. With the comment of @Daishishi we were almost at the finish line. And now we should go back to square one again. No.
If I find the motivation - and there is little left at this point - I will post a summary in the next days.
I too am tired of this circular discussion, but at this point it is obvious two things:
An Eraser Tool (in the sense of a Krita tool) is completely useless in this request.
The original feature as requested by AndreasResch is more akin to a new shortcut similar to the / shortcut, however it would only ‘memorize’ erasers (maybe brushes with the blend = Erase).
The point above would need a new shortcut similar to the / but for every brush, except erasers.
I’m brewing in my mind a plugin that iterate in this idea, and goes further. I’ll try to explain a mockup of it (too time consuming to make a visual mockup).
Plugin proposal
First: Brushes and Tags
Let’s assume Krita comes out of the box with 20 brushes, and 3 tags (digital, erasers, favorites) with some brushes on it.
You then make 3 new brushes but don’t assign any tag to them. These brushes could be:
Favorite Pencil 1
Basic-1 from PS
Utter Eraser
Second: Plugin and slots
My idea of a plugin is a collection of slots. Similar to the plugin Ten Brushes
For each slot when the shortcut key is pressed, this slot can either: Maintain the current tool active and only change the brush. Or change the brush and the tool to a predefined one.
Each slot has a list of accepted brushes, and ignored brushes. So the slot only ‘remember’ the last valid brush used. Here how this would work in more detail.
This is only for ease to follow, not proposing the changing of Default Shortcuts.
Slot 1: Shortcutb. Always activate the Freehand Brush Tool.
Accept list: All brushes.
Except list: Brushes with Eraser Tag and the Brush Utter Eraser
Slot 2: Shortcute. Always activate the Freehand Brush Tool.
Accept list: Brushes with Eraser Tag and the Brush Utter Eraser
Except list: None
Third: Plugin Behavior
Now each Plugin slot will check the current brush and assign it to itself if valid. Using the brushes and plugin settings proposed earlier, here an example:
You are drawing with the brush Basic-1. The slot 1 will memorize this brush. Slot 2 won’t.
You change to your custom Favorite Pencil 1. Slot 1 checks and remember this brush as the last used now. Slot 2 can’t assign this brush, does nothing then.
You press the e key. If not already, you go to the Freehand Brush. The default or last used eraser is selected. Slot 1 will check the changing in brush. Because it is an eraser it will maintain the last valid brush: Favorite Pencil 1
You change the brush to your custom eraser Utter Eraser. Slot 1 will not memorized it. Slot 2 will.
You press the b key (slot 1). The Freehand Brush is activated. The last valid brush is activated, in this case Favorite Pencil 1
With this my idea is that you can press the e key, go to your last brush eraser. Then you can just click on the Brush Docker and select a paint brush and keep painting. Or press the b key to the previous brush in this slot.
Sure, my idea is make a collection of slots that you can assign certain tags, and/or brushes. While remembering the last one used.
A side note is that it seems to act as the Eraser Tool requested here.
Sorry for the lenghty text. Hope it was clear, if not I will try again. Maybe even a visual mockup.
Thanks
But I’m not sure it was useful, how the topic continue to be “hot”
By definition, non-Krita users don’t use Krita and then, might not care about a plugin they won’t use
The thing is there’s still many proposal/idea of what the new tool should be.
There’s too much to read, too much different point of view; I’m reading it with one eye, trying to follow as I do for most of topics here, but this one is particularly hard.
Not used to see a such things here.
Finally, my feeling is that any implementation might not satisfy old Krita users as new Krita users (or maybe 0.0001% )
I’m used to build plugins that primarily match my own needs and then, trying to improve them according to feedback.
But looking how the topic turns here, if by taking time to try to implement something that finally doesn’t match what is expected by A or B or C or D is to get a potential aggressive feedback, it’s clearly not a source of motivation…
But I like this proposal:
Sounds to be similar to my understanding of the problem:
I’ll take a look on that proposal; I don’t guarantee anything.
I’m already working on 3 plugins in parallels, +trying to made art for a friend, +I have a job at the office that take me ~10hours a day taking transportation in account… +my cat asking for hugs and standing up between me and the keyboard at home… +my GF starting to think that coding plugins will never end…
I am quite satisfied with it. The only downside is that the eraser cannot become a brush and the brush cannot become an eraser. Their mode is locked.
I hope it only turns on or off the “eraser mode” when switching, and does not need to be locked during use
Indeed it is. But we can make such a change: each tool will record the last brush it used.
When I switched to the straight and rectangular tools, I obviously didn’t want to use the smear brush or the dot brush. And krita can only use a brush for strokes, I have to find a common and small round pen.
If the tool can record, then we can add an “eraser” tool
Let’s not talk like “completely useless”, that’s a bit unkind. If it’s useful to some people, then it’s not really useless. Sure the usability of something for a bigger audience might different from the person usability but you talk with specific people, not a whole crowd at once.
